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  1. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teris View Post
    I put these pieces in a pan with some dirt from my yard and they are way heavier than the dirt and behave like I'd expect gold to behave. The second/bigger piece looks "dirty" for lack of a better word. But when I scratch it, the dark color came off.

    Those two pieces were the only gold I found, but I only had a child's beach pail and shovel (and my pan). I was also using poor technique. With the gold, I found a lot of silvery metallic flecks that I now assume to be mica. I'll let you know if I find more when I can get back out there!
    So it sounds like this was a spur of the moment decision to pan for gold. That tells me you definitely didn't research the ownership of the minerals. This is important because in California, the majority of the gold bearing streams have mineral claims along them (meaning someone owns the gold). The exceptions would be stretches of streams with special status that have been withdrawn from mineral entry.

    I'm not saying ALL the areas are claimed, but there is a high possibility it could be claimed. There is no requirement to have the claim posted. It is up to the miner to determine ownership status before prospecting.

    Even casual panning is stealing from the owner, similar to taking a watermelon from a farmers field.

    It's a great family hobby to get into and there are many places to prospect without having to file a claim.

    Ask some questions here about researching mining claims and you will get a bunch of help!
    You may even get offers to pan on a claim in your area. Also good advice on what tools to buy/build.
    Good luck!
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  2. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    So it sounds like this was a spur of the moment decision to pan for gold. That tells me you definitely didn't research the ownership of the minerals. This is important because in California, the majority of the gold bearing streams have mineral claims along them (meaning someone owns the gold). The exceptions would be stretches of streams with special status that have been withdrawn from mineral entry.

    I'm not saying ALL the areas are claimed, but there is a high possibility it could be claimed. There is no requirement to have the claim posted. It is up to the miner to determine ownership status before prospecting.

    Even casual panning is stealing from the owner, similar to taking a watermelon from a farmers field.

    It's a great family hobby to get into and there are many places to prospect without having to file a claim.

    Ask some questions here about researching mining claims and you will get a bunch of help!
    You may even get offers to pan on a claim in your area. Also good advice on what tools to buy/build.
    Good luck!
    Yes, it was a spur of the moment family outing. We were at a very popular spot near my home, so I know for sure it's not a private claim. But that's good advice nonetheless and I appreciate it.

    I have an Angus Mackirk sluice on its way to me now, so I'll see how that works out. And I'll be on the lookout for any other places in my area that can be mined without a claim. Thanks again.
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  3. #18

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    Popular doesn't mean much. Private mineral claims do not affect public uses other than prospecting. So the public can use the land same as anywhere else..just no gold mining.

    Unfortunately some claims are popular spots, be it due to river access, camping opportunity, swimming hole..or a beach. Signs just get torn down or ignored.

    My dad has one near a campground that is popular : (

    Search "Landmatters" on Google. Good resource to get started learning about claims and finding open ground.

    Lastly don't take my comments as an insinuation that you were panning (or sand castle bucketing) on a claim..most everyone that gets into gold prospecting has a learning curve when it comes to claims. I had a greenhorn co-worker show me where he was mining...turned out to be private property! He now knows how to research and owns two claims.
    Last edited by IMAUDIGGER; Jun 02, 2020 at 04:29 PM.
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  4. #19

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    Popular doesn't mean much. Private mineral claims do not affect public uses other than prospecting. So the public can use the land same as anywhere else..just no gold mining.

    Unfortunately some claims are popular spots, be it due to river access, camping opportunity, swimming hole..or a beach. Signs just get torn down or ignored.

    My dad has one near a campground that is popular : (

    Search "Landmatters" on Google. Good resource to get started learning about claims and finding open ground.

    Lastly don't take my comments as an insinuation that you were panning (or sand castle bucketing) on a claim..most everyone that gets into gold prospecting has a learning curve when it comes to claims. I had a greenhorn co-worker show me where he was mining...turned out to be private property! He now knows how to research and owns two claims.
    I'm not taking your advice the wrong way. On the contrary, I appreciate it very much.

    When I say popular, I mean a popular place to pan and sluice. There are videos all over YouTube with people mining the area. Maybe that's not dispositive, but I took it as an indication that it's not private land that requires a claim. But I'll look into it further. Thanks again!

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    If I trigger Clay correctly, he will chime in with a very well thought out and written primer on the two types of "mining claims"...Clay participates in the development of the Landmatters website, is a wealth of info and I know he is reading this.

    Maybe someone else can chime in with some slightly true..slightly misleading information to trigger Clay in providing some helpful literature. ; )
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  6. #21
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    Is it gold?

    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    If I trigger Clay correctly, he will chime in with a very well thought out and written primer on the two types of "mining claims"...Clay participates in the development of the Landmatters website, is a wealth of info and I know he is reading this.

    Maybe someone else can chime in with some slightly true..slightly misleading information to trigger Clay in providing some helpful literature. ; )
    Lol .. That is how it works with him, isnít it. I really do appreciate Clay Digginsís (or Barry as some of you know him) comments. He has chimed in many times as he does on many threads I have started.

    Thatís being said, I think you pretty much covered it, IMAUDIGGER, and Teris is on the right track and will probably be searching the forum and asking questions as needed.
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    Well, now I hope Clay is sufficiently triggered because I'd love to be further educated on the topic! Thanks, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teris View Post
    Well, now I hope Clay is sufficiently triggered because I'd love to be further educated on the topic! Thanks, guys.
    Lots of people here to steer you in the right direction.
    This forum has been slow as of late, so be patient and check back in..
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  9. #24
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    Well, if its on youtube it's no secret. So, you may as well share.

    E. Fork? san Gabriel? Lytle creek.

    we'll let you know it it is in fact claimed.
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  10. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwasher View Post
    Well, if its on youtube it's no secret. So, you may as well share.

    E. Fork? san Gabriel? Lytle creek.

    we'll let you know it it is in fact claimed.
    Yes, that's where I was panning! If it's claimed, the owner isn't doing a good job of keeping people away. I was told there are some other good spots in the area, but people are tight-lipped about them.

  11. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teris View Post
    I'm in Southern California. I had my son's crappy plastic shovel and kid's beach pail (that maybe holds a half gallon). I filled that pail 4 or 5 times and found those two pieces of gold. After watching the videos on this site about panning, I realize I was doing it all wrong and probably lost any fine gold that was in there. I pulled those two pieces out of the pan by sight using terrible panning technique and certainly no classifying. I'll go back soon and see if I can find more!
    you need liquifaction. create it in the pan, this requires a basin with water, it cannot be done satisfactory with just water in a pan, it must be submersed in water. liquifaction, sift off the top layer. repeat until there is enough material to see whats in the bottom. to save time you could just dump it in a bucket then render a new load of concentrates, dump in bucket take it home to work the gold from the other heavies. Its not rocket science, and its not perfect.some super fine gold will find its way out no matter how good you are.
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    got the fever? dont scratch the itch.

  12. #27

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    As long as it isn’t posted “no trespassing” you are OK.
    It’s next to impossible for the average person to figure it out anyway. There simply isn’t enough resources out there to help keep the average Joe from getting into trouble mining. You have to be an expert and expend lots of $$ to even get started. Almost every piece of public ground is claimed up so the weekend family outing is almost impossible unless you just wing it.

    These lands were not meant to be exploited anyway..so what is the purpose of mining claims? I’m not sure mining claims are even constitutional what the heck gives a guy the right to just start exploiting land we all own? It’s supposed to be for the people by the people. I don’t see the point.

    Wink wink
    Last edited by IMAUDIGGER; Jun 04, 2020 at 08:39 AM.
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  13. #28
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    Those guys must have siblings and other relatives living nearby.
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  14. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-Lionberger View Post
    Those guys must have siblings and other relatives living nearby.
    I hope so. Honestly, we just went there for something to do and have some fun. I didn't expect to actually find any gold. But now I'm feeling obligated to go back and reunite the whole family in a glass vial.
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  15. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teris View Post
    I hope so. Honestly, we just went there for something to do and have some fun. I didn't expect to actually find any gold. But now I'm feeling obligated to go back and reunite the whole family in a glass vial.
    Well GoldWasher kind of left us in the dark...not sure if he said “it is in fact claimed” or “ we will let you know IF it in fact is claimed”...

    GW care to elaborate?
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