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    Jesse James Was One Of His Names...Prologue

    Statements: Not Verbatim At All Times To Condense The Paragraphs.

    1) Was Jesse WOODSON James born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844 and killed by Ex-Jockey Bob Ford on April 3, 1882 in St Joseph, Missouri or did he die in Granbury Texas on August 15, 1951 at 107yrs old?

    2) Was Jesse's 'death' in 1882 a Hoax aided and abetted by Governor Thomas T. Crittenden, once his lawyer and Schoolmate in Kentucky?

    3) Is Charlie Bigelow in Jesse James grave in Kearney, MO?

    4) Did John Trammell kill Charlie Bigelow's two brothers, Bert and John?

    5) Did Kentucky Born Jesse WOODSON James and his older brother, Dr SYLVESTER Franklin (Frank) James the sons of Captain George and Molly Dalton James have two Missouri Born First Cousins.. Jesse ROBERT (Dingus) James and Alexander Franklin James sons of Robert Sallee and Zerelda Cole James?

    6) Did Actor Sam Collins stand in for Alexander Franklin James during the trial in Gallatin, MO in 1883?

    7) Didn't Brown Eyed Sam Collins stand 2" Taller than the Blue Eyed Frank James who was Acquitted?

    That's the first 7 statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    Jesse James Was One Of His Names...Prologue

    Statements: Not Verbatim At All Times To Condense The Paragraphs.

    Was Jesse WOODSON James born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844 and killed by Ex-Jockey Bob Ford on April 3, 1882 in St Joseph, Missouri or did he die in Granbury Texas on August 15, 1951 at 107yrs old?

    Was Jesse's 'death' in 1882 a Hoax aided and abetted by Governor Thomas T. Crittenden, once his lawyer and Schoolmate in Kentucky?

    Is Charlie Bigelow in Jesse James grave in Kearney, MO?

    Did John Trammell kill Charlie Bigelow's two brothers, Bert and John?

    Did Kentucky Born Jesse WOODSON James and his older brother, Dr SYLVESTER Franklin (Frank) James the sons of Captain George and Molly Dalton James have two Missouri Born First Cousins.. Jesse ROBERT (Dingus) James and Alexander Franklin James sons of Robert Sallee and Zerelda Cole James?

    Did Actor Sam Collins stand in for Alexander Franklin James during the trial in Gallatin, MO in 1883?

    Didn't Brown Eyed Sam Collins stand 2" Taller than the Blue Eyed Frank James who was Acquitted?

    That's the first 7 statements.

    Kace
    For Statement #1 about Jesse Woodson James being born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844? All I could ever find is that Jesse Woodson James was born

    https://screenshots.firefox.com/xXZd...ww.history.com

    Robert Sallee James moved to Liberty, Missouri in 1842. Even if Jesse Woodson James was born on April 17, 1844, he would still have born in Liberty, Missouri. Here is a screenshot of Jesse Woodson James' father to verify:

    https://screenshots.firefox.com/Wqjc...i.blogspot.com

    Does anyone have a copy of the Deed for 245 acres of a farm puchased by Robert Sallee James in Clay County, Missouri?
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    Was Jesse WOODSON James born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844 and killed by Ex-Jockey Bob Ford on April 3, 1882 in St Joseph, Missouri or did he die in Granbury Texas on August 15, 1951 at 107yrs old?

    In my opinion, I say neither of those scenarios matches what I have come to believe took place. Why? Because there was a bigger picture with a lot more players on the board than previously known to belong to the K.G.C. during Jesse's lifetime. Specifically, there were more alleys of opportunity offered to him that were previously unknown to be available. The idea that he died under another name is very believable to me, but I personally don't think it was ever known to anyone that repeated the fact.

    Was his death faked in 1882? I say yes it was faked, but there were many players not mentioned in the book that had the most to do with it. Not to say the Governor wasn't savvy to the plan, but I doubt he was the planner. Jesse was a member of a higher order with a private agenda that you won't find a record of written down anywhere.

    I don't believe there ever was a Charly Bigalow period.

    September 5, 1847 Jesse Woodson James was born at the James Farm in Kearney, Missouri.

    I believe those answers cover All of the first seven for me Kace. I will be very interested to hear what others say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    Was Jesse WOODSON James born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844 and killed by Ex-Jockey Bob Ford on April 3, 1882 in St Joseph, Missouri or did he die in Granbury Texas on August 15, 1951 at 107yrs old?

    In my opinion, I say neither of those scenarios matches what I have come to believe took place. Why? Because there was a bigger picture with a lot more players on the board than previously known to belong to the K.G.C. during Jesse's lifetime. Specifically, there were more alleys of opportunity offered to him that were previously unknown to be available. The idea that he died under another name is very believable to me, but I personally don't think it was ever known to anyone that repeated the fact.

    Was his death faked in 1882? I say yes it was faked, but there were many players not mentioned in the book that had the most to do with it. Not to say the Governor wasn't savvy to the plan, but I doubt he was the planner. Jesse was a member of a higher order with a private agenda that you won't find a record of written down anywhere.

    I don't believe there ever was a Charly Bigalow period.

    September 5, 1847 Jesse Woodson James was born at the James Farm in Kearney, Missouri.

    I believe those answers cover All of the first seven for me Kace. I will be very interested to hear what others say.

    L.C.
    2 DOB for JJ...? April 17, 1844/September 5, 1847...
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    For Statement #1 about Jesse Woodson James being born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844? All I could ever find is that Jesse Woodson James was born

    https://screenshots.firefox.com/xXZd...ww.history.com

    Robert Sallee James moved to Liberty, Missouri in 1842. Even if Jesse Woodson James was born on April 17, 1844, he would still have born in Liberty, Missouri. Here is a screenshot of Jesse Woodson James' father to verify:

    https://screenshots.firefox.com/Wqjc...i.blogspot.com

    Does anyone have a copy of the Deed for 245 acres of a farm puchased by Robert Sallee James in Clay County, Missouri?
    I do have a copy somewhere... I believe I first found it by using Asa W. Thomason who RS James bought the unimproved property from in at that time was Centerville, Clay County, Missouri.

    Kace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    2 DOB for JJ...? April 17, 1844/September 5, 1847...
    You will have to keep count of the variations of Jesse James names....As well as how many different Jesse James characters there are in this book.

    I've Capitalized the different names used in the book So Far of the different Frank and Jesse's And also watch Where in the book, the characters are from.

    Jesse WOODSON James
    Jesse ROBERT (Dingus) James

    ALEXANDER Franklin James
    DR. SYLVESTER Franklin James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    Jesse James Was One Of His Names...Prologue

    Statements: Not Verbatim At All Times To Condense The Paragraphs.

    Was Jesse WOODSON James born in Kentucky on April 17, 1844 and killed by Ex-Jockey Bob Ford on April 3, 1882 in St Joseph, Missouri or did he die in Granbury Texas on August 15, 1951 at 107yrs old?

    Was Jesse's 'death' in 1882 a Hoax aided and abetted by Governor Thomas T. Crittenden, once his lawyer and Schoolmate in Kentucky?

    #2. Governor Thomas T. Crittenden:1832-1909

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    Here are my two questions for when we get to this part of the book.
    1. What is the evidence that shows that the KGC survived after the war as an organization?
    2. What is the evidence that Jesse James was a initiated member of the KGC? According to the Rules and Regs he was too young to be a member during the war.

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    Jesse was too young after the War was over. He did not turn 18 until five months after the Civil War ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker Colt View Post
    Here are my two questions for when we get to this part of the book.
    1. What is the evidence that shows that the KGC survived after the war as an organization?
    2. What is the evidence that Jesse James was a initiated member of the KGC? According to the Rules and Regs he was too young to be a member during the war.

    This turtle and several other pieces of lead that it has taken us to and the implications that have unfolded are proof of the K.G.C. turning into the O.A.K. and continuing to at least 1896.

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    The reason why you will not find any proof that Jesse James was Freemason or K.G.C. other than his actions and affiliation with other known members of the societies, is because he was initiated and raised on the spot in a field meeting. There were no records kept of the minutes. The K.G.C. had no records written down or kept in any form after 1861.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Jesse was too young after the War was over. He did not turn 18 until five months after the Civil War ended.
    The reality of the time dictated rules and regulations to be followed or made by small groups in the field. At that time there was a Civil War constituting immediate action by those in charge of the field meetings.

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    Prologue Statements/Claims...Continued.

    8) Implies JWJ could be and was in so many places due to Astrophysical Travel

    9) JJ3 says US Marshall Frank Dalton was JWJ's First Cousin

    10) JJ3 says Hanging Judge Parker was JWJ's First Cousin

    11) JJ3 says of himself... Orvus Lee Howk aka Jesse James lll worked his entire life as a Detective, Bodyguard, Confidant and Executor for his notorious Grandfather Jesse W. James.

    12) JJ3 says he passed a Colorado lie detector test With Flying Colors concerning all information and things related to JWJ he has said are true.

    13) JJ3 says he is Fettered by Descendants of KGC members who took a Blood Oath.

    14) JJ3 says he Bears the Awesome if not Impossible Responsibility of keeping the James Clan satisfied with the settlement of his Granfathers vast estate.

    ******************

    Just as a Side Note for those who do not have access to this book. When Jesse WOODSON James (JWJ) is talked about In The Book...They are Not talking about the Jesse James of Kearney in Clay County, MO.

    Kace
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    This turtle and several other pieces of lead that it has taken us to and the implications that have unfolded are proof of the K.G.C. turning into the O.A.K. and continuing to at least 1896.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    The reason why you will not find any proof that Jesse James was Freemason or K.G.C. other than his actions and affiliation with other known members of the societies, is because he was initiated and raised on the spot in a field meeting. There were no records kept of the minutes. The K.G.C. had no records written down or kept in any form after 1861.
    I'm sure they made masons and KGC at sight during the war. One of my ancestors was initiated in a military lodge that was with the 35th Mississippi Infantry. I found that record at the Grand Lodge of Mississippi. But with no primary source I cannot take serious the claim that Jesse was KGC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    Prologue Statements/Claims...Continued.

    8) Implies JWJ could be and was in so many places due to Astrophysical Travel

    Kace
    8) I've always found these claims to be very unusual. Why were JJ's alleged second sight, astral traveling and alchemy activities brought forth in the BB? Are they just embellishments, using poetic license, sensationalism, exaggeration, etc, to bolster the legends and mystery surrounding JJ? Are they some sort of camouflaged reference to JJ's supposed Masonic activities? Are they some sort of a tongue-in-cheek outrageous joke? Or, are the anecdotes recalling JJ's "powers" supposed to be a real deal, taken seriously?

    JJ's alleged mystical powers were claimed to have been taught to him early in life by one "Mother Rebecca", a black African. I remember searching years ago for any information available on the alleged black sorceress, but turned up nothing. Have any folks who have spent a lot of time on the genealogy websites found a reference to this woman? Mother Rebecca was black, and so were numerous other men in JJ's inner circle, as described later in the BB. I find this very interesting and have information on one of JJ's men - John Trammell - that I can relate later.
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    When was the BB released to the public...? Was such MYSTICISM a "trend" for the "general public" then...? Trends of "the times" MAY have "influenced" the writing styles of such authors... dunno.
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