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    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811 View Post
    ~EE~

    ~Art~

    ~EE~
    Duck and Dodge EE.....Thank you for addmitting that no LRL or MFD has ever failed a Sceintfic Test...Art


    Shame, shame, Art---even you know better than that. What about the Department of Justice report, for one, in which it is documented that LRLs were Scientifically tested by reputable organizations, and found to not be able to locate anything at all?

    Jeez, Art, do you never stop trying to mislead people with your knowingly false statements?
    An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.

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  3. #62
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    ~EE~
    Shame, shame, Art---even you know better than that. What about the Department of Justice report, for one, in which it is documented that LRLs were Scientifically tested by reputable organizations, and found to not be able to locate anything at all?

    Jeez, Art, do you never stop trying to mislead people with your knowingly false statements?
    Yes there was a warning about LRL’s in the middle of a report on how to use a Expray Explosive Test Kit...It was a very long thread that was discussed right here. There were no reports of any Scientifically tests by reputable organizations included in it.
    So tell us who is trying to mislead people on a Treasure Hunting discussion board?..Art

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    You mean the "Institute of Justice", a skeptic group, not the Department of Justice.
    Where your heart is, there you will find your treasure.

    O God of compassion, You alone can justify me and Your will never reject me when I, contrite, approach Your Merciful Heart, where no one has ever been refused, even if he were the greatest sinner. For Your Son assured me: Sooner would heaven and earth turn into nothingness than would My mercy fail to embrace a trusting soul.

  5. #64
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    ~Signal line~
    You mean the "Institute of Justice", a skeptic group, not the Department of Justice.
    That is correct...Art

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    Then there was the LRL manufacturer sued by the country of Iraq after they were duped into buying some garbage LRL the company said could find landmines and IEDs. Yep, gotta love it when the greed of LRL scammers trumps human life!

  7. #66
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    then there was the LRL manufacturer sued by the country of Iraq after they were duped into buying some garbage LRL the company said could find landmines and IEDs. Yep, gotta love it when the greed of LRL scammers trumps human life!
    That also has been discussed...We got a little tired of being called murderers. It seems that the skeptics don’t want to discuss LRL’s made for the Treasure Hunting Hobby..Art

    "The door to Knowledge & Understanding, is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind”
    Last edited by aarthrj3811; Apr 22, 2012 at 09:12 PM.

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    LRLs are LRLs whether they are sold for finding gold or landmines. If you don't like the smell, don't sell the garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason in Enid View Post
    LRLs are LRLs whether they are sold for finding gold or landmines. If you don't like the smell, don't sell the garbage.
    For example, compare the Thomas Gravitator with the DKL. Evidently the same thing but sold into different markets. The character of the advertising is also different, not just the actual content. All this reveals what the things really are and what Thomas believes about the people who stand a chance of buying them.

    Gravitator ad is a beautiful piece of "truth in advertising" the purpose of which is to force the gullibilly into denial. For starters, the name itself describes what the thing literally is: it's a gravitator. It does not detect targets of any type. If you buy the thing believing that it detects treasure, that's only because that's what you wanted it to be, the ad did not tell you that. Sucker!

    The DKL is positioned very differently in adspace. Aimed at marks who may a bit naive and who aren't real critical thinkers. But not aimed at people who already know it's a scam but who want to pretend it's not a scam, such as in the treasure hunting market.

    --Toto

  10. #69
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    LRLs are LRLs whether they are sold for finding gold or landmines. If you don't like the smell, don't sell the garbage.
    I would think that most of the membership Is interested in treasure hunting devices. And yes..I hope that they arrest the people who stole the electronics from some of devices before they reached the soldiers...Art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811 View Post
    ~jason~

    I would think that most of the membership Is interested in treasure hunting devices. And yes..I hope that they arrest the people who stole the electronics from some of devices before they reached the soldiers...Art.
    They didn't steal **** from any LRL junk! You deserve to rot in hell for even suggesting that LRLs are appropriate for explosive ordinance detection.

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    I don't know how many lives they saved with the LRL's but I think it was several hundred vehicles they detected with explosives.
    Where your heart is, there you will find your treasure.

    O God of compassion, You alone can justify me and Your will never reject me when I, contrite, approach Your Merciful Heart, where no one has ever been refused, even if he were the greatest sinner. For Your Son assured me: Sooner would heaven and earth turn into nothingness than would My mercy fail to embrace a trusting soul.

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    detected when the explosives detonated.

  14. #73
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    They didn't steal **** from any LRL junk! You deserve to rot in hell for even suggesting that LRLs are appropriate for explosive ordinance detection.
    detected when the explosives detonated.
    I have never used a LRL designed for finding explosives nor will I ever. I have read a lot of success stories about them..I may rot in hell but not because of recommending any explosive device...Art

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    I would not use an LRL for bomb detection, either. That's not to say they don't work, just I would not want to depend on one as the only defense. Human operators make mistakes, be it an LRL or a metal detector. But then again, dogs miss targets, too. You never hear anyone complain about that.
    Last edited by signal_line; Apr 23, 2012 at 08:09 PM.
    Where your heart is, there you will find your treasure.

    O God of compassion, You alone can justify me and Your will never reject me when I, contrite, approach Your Merciful Heart, where no one has ever been refused, even if he were the greatest sinner. For Your Son assured me: Sooner would heaven and earth turn into nothingness than would My mercy fail to embrace a trusting soul.

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    The problem with LRL's as bomb detectors is that not only does the outcome depend entirely on what's going on between operator's ears, the operator has been lied to and told that the outcome is the product of technological sensing technology. So the result is inevitably worse than plain vanilla dowsing, which itself is surrounded by a well-earned cloud of suspicion.

    That makes LRL's a very different thing from technology based sensing apparatus, which can be demonstrated to work without dependence on belief and which is not based on fraud like LRL's are. And it makes LRL's a very different thing from dowsing.

    If anyone wants to know how LRL apologists think when it comes to the assertion that the damn things have cost many lives, all you have to do is look several posts up at Signal's "several hundred vehicles" post. Think about it. If God gave you brains, use 'em. Read the advertisement.

    * * * * * *

    It ain't just hypothetical here in El Paso. The Mexican military has been using Deekles, which of course has caused a lot of controversy. The Mexican military has no credibility to begin with, so Deekles are a good fit for them. "The Deekle indicated that this vehicle was carrying drugs (guns, whatever)". So they "search", plant whatever "evidence" is needed, do a parade in front of television cameras, and it all works out great for them. What makes the Deekle a perfect fit for the Mexican military is not that it detects anything, but that it gives them what they want. It's a perfect match for a corrupt system.

    No military or police agency that exists for the purpose of public service and which knows what the Deekle really is, wants anything to do with it. The damn thing is a fraud, and it does not give them what they want. Let's be frank here, if cops in your neighborhood were using Deekles, you'd know who the things would point at first just by eyeballing skin color, wouldn't you? Fraud, corruption, and tyranny go hand in glove and LRL's sold to government agencies are a perfect example of how that works.

    --Toto

  17. #76
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    The problem with LRL's as bomb detectors is that not only does the outcome depend entirely on what's going on between operator's ears, the operator has been lied to and told that the outcome is the product of technological sensing technology. So the result is inevitably worse than plain vanilla dowsing, which itself is surrounded by a well-earned cloud of suspicion.

    That makes LRL's a very different thing from technology based sensing apparatus, which can be demonstrated to work without dependence on belief and which is not based on fraud like LRL's are. And it makes LRL's a very different thing from dowsing.

    If anyone wants to know how LRL apologists think when it comes to the assertion that the damn things have cost many lives, all you have to do is look several posts up at Signal's "several hundred vehicles" post. Think about it. If God gave you brains, use 'em. Read the advertisement.

    * * * * * *

    It ain't just hypothetical here in El Paso. The Mexican military has been using Deekles, which of course has caused a lot of controversy. The Mexican military has no credibility to begin with, so Deekles are a good fit for them. "The Deekle indicated that this vehicle was carrying drugs (guns, whatever)". So they "search", plant whatever "evidence" is needed, do a parade in front of television cameras, and it all works out great for them. What makes the Deekle a perfect fit for the Mexican military is not that it detects anything, but that it gives them what they want. It's a perfect match for a corrupt system.

    No military or police agency that exists for the purpose of public service and which knows what the Deekle really is, wants anything to do with it. The damn thing is a fraud, and it does not give them what they want. Let's be frank here, if cops in your neighborhood were using Deekles, you'd know who the things would point at first just by eyeballing skin color, wouldn't you? Fraud, corruption, and tyranny go hand in glove and LRL's sold to government agencies are a perfect example of how that works.
    Thank You for your views about Law Enforcement...You must agree with our statement Electronic receiver proves MFD's are not dowsing....Art

 

 
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