Lost Dutchman in the Superstitions? What is wrong with this picture?

[Somero]

FYI Apache Tribes in that ERA numbered *56,060 in the Mexico, Arizona and New Mexico Region.
*=information from Wikipedia on Apache tribes in that century.

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So how many do you think supposedly attacked the mining party and how many in the mining party were there?

 

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[ldma.miner]

Ldma Miner: Relax and join us for some nice hot coffee. Anyone that posts is fair game, believe me, I have had my share, but it is the same as when we discuss things here around the campfire drinking Oro's sock coffee.

As a matter of fact, I kinda enjoy having my theories picked at. if I can't answer correctly then I still have some theorizing or research to do.

Side thingie, where did you get scragged? Was it with intention or just a "to whom it may concern?"

Don Jose de La Mancha

Feathers ruffled about "contradiction" term. Scragged me out, Was just trying to help. Sometimes I take things the wrong way as we all might do.
Other Scragg Disabled Combat V.Vet.

"May there always be GOLD and TREASURE in Your Life"

 

[ldma.miner]

nope not I

"May there always be GOLD and TREASURE in Your Life"

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

FYI Apache Tribes in that ERA numbered *56,060 in the Mexico, Arizona and New Mexico Region.
*=information from Wikipedia on Apache tribes in that century.

"May there always be GOLD and TREASURE in Your Life"

Wikipedia is not historically factual..it is anyone's opinion on what they believe to be fact....
the apache in the Arizona- new mexico territory never numbered more than 10 or 15 thousand...

here is a link:http://www.hunapstatisticsproject.info/TribeCategory/ApachePopulation.htm

 

[ldma.miner]

The Legend Adams, for whom the legend became known and whose first name forever has been lost to history, was journeying in his wagon from the state of New York to Tucson. After Apaches set his wagon on fire, Adams drove a dozen saved horses towards Sacaton, Arizona, with the hope to sell them. In Sacaton, Adams met a group of twenty one miners led by John Brewer traveling together in search of the gold fields. The party also accounted the Pima-Mexican guide who promised the prospectors to lead them to the valley of gold :“I know a place where canyon walls cry tears of [gold] every day! And those tears are larger than your coins!” Supposedly, In 1862, the young Pima-Mexican had gone on an expedition with the Apaches when those attacked Pueblo Indians in western New Mexico. While on the expedition he had seen gold nuggets that were larger than oak nuts. The young man had appreciation for works made out of silver and turquoise but had no knowledge of gold value. The miners made a bargain with the guide who only asked for a horse, a saddle, a weapon and some of the gold in exchange. The group was badly in need of horses, and when by fate Adams appeared in Sacaton with his twelve head, Brewer struck a deal with Adams on the terms that Adams would share leadership with him in exchange for donating his horses. Along with their guide the group followed White River and its east fork into the White Mountains and entered western New Mexico. The guide paused and pointed to two mountains that were shaped like sugar loaves. “The gold canyon lies at the foot of those peaks,” the guide said. According to Adams, from that mountain lookout the miners were able to observe San Francisco Mountains. Adams thought that this mountain range was located on Mt. Ord, or on one of the mountaintops nearby. The miners entered a canyon with a fantastic gold deposit through 'the Little Door', as Adams referred to it. He said that the passageway was so narrow that the riders had to enter it one by one. Within a few days the group collected a fortune of gold nuggets that they hid in a corn-grinding basin left by ancient Indians. The young guide left the miners on the second night after the discovery and after being paid. Before leaving the guide issued a warning. He told the group not to stay long in the canyon that was a campsite for Apaches. The miners continued to mine the gold until they ran out of supplies. The party decided to send Brewer and five others to buy more supplies at Old Fort Wingate, west of modern Grants. Nine days after the provisions party did not return, Adams became concerned about their safety. Along with another miner named Davidson, Adams climbed out of the canyon to discover five bodies on the trail, Brewer was not among them. They raced back towards camp, but it was too late. A large party of Indians had reached the camp and killed the remaining miners. Days later, Adams was found by a military patrol wandering in the wilderness and out of his mind. Upon recovery Adams settled in California and when the Apache Wars ended, he led several expeditions to find the canyon and the basin filled with gold. Adams must have had a terrible sense of direction, after so many years of searching his quest proved hopeless. But in his search he inspired others to joint the hunt. Possible Locations For decades the Zuni Mountains were considered the most plausible location of the diggings. Thousands of prospectors, ranch-hands, and men-of-fortune searched this area and the rest of southwestern New Mexico prior to WWII, as the Adams diggings became the most sought-for gold in the country. Only Frank Dobie's 1939 book Apache Gold and Yaqui Silver adequately describes how renowned the Adams legend had become. The combination of the depression and the deregulation of the gold market prompted the most unlikely people to search for the diggings. Between 1895 and 1930 several large logging communities flourished in the Zuni Mountains, several with schools and post offices; wide-gauge railroads crisscrossed the mountains. The loggers were well aware of the Adams legend, as it had become a nationally known story. Between running logs nothing was more common than prospecting except for drinking. Rumors of gold in the Zunis had become so common that the U.S. government ordered several geological expeditions in the years between WWI and WWII to verify whether this claim could be supported. The geologists found nothing. In the 1950s the area was thoroughly re-explored for uranium during the uranium boom around Grants, New Mexico. Eventually the obsession with the Zuni Mountains as a host for the Adams diggings faded. It was also around the mid-century that the popularity of the Adams legend began to diminish and the Lost Dutchman Mine became America's most sought-for lost gold mine. The Adams diggings were beginning to seem a hoax or a mine unlikely to ever be found. Geologically, the Adams diggings could only be in the southwestern quadrant of the state. Adams himself spent most of the remainder of his life searching the areas in and around Reserve, New Mexico. This area was the largest gold producing area in the state, and hosted several small mining booms, including the rich strikes at Silver City and Pinos Altos. The areas that could conceivably host the diggings in this region (containing several large mountain ranges that remain sparsely inhabited) are numerous, as minerals and evidence of previous mining can be found throughout the area. Local folklore will tell you that the gold is at the headwaters of either the Black River, the Gila River, or the Prieto River. Spanish Lore will tell you to look to the Blue Mountains. Dozens of mining camps in this region of New Mexico were thought to be the Adams diggings for brief periods.

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[Springfield]

That's a representative telling of the Lost Adams Diggings legend, although there are many other versions (I've got a couple dozen myself), many of which vary radically from each other. Are you claiming that the Lost Adams Diggings and the Lost Dutchman Mine are the same thing?

 

[cactusjumper]

That's a representative telling of the Lost Adams Diggings legend, although there are many other versions (I've got a couple dozen myself), many of which vary radically from each other. Are you claiming that the Lost Adams Diggings and the Lost Dutchman Mine are the same thing?

Springfield,

I may be wrong, but I believe that version is a direct copy from Wikipedia, which does cite "sources" at the bottom of the page. I assume one of those sources tells the same tale.

Take care,

Joe

 

[sgtfda]

Tom K mentioned on Facebook the first periodical that mentioned the LDM was in the Superstition Mountains. AZ Republic Dec 7, 1895 p1 col 1

 

[Big Bad John]

nope not I

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Now all I have to do is find i and share some with you.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

ME FIRST John, Drink yer coffee

Don Jose de La Mancha