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  1. #16

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    example of "I have a map": You know how there's hardcore believers in the Lost Dutchman mine story, right ? And guys are always convinced they're onto something blah blah. Well one time a fellow showed up to talk with other hardcore believers, boasting that "he had a map". But he was clamming up and wouldn't show them. Yet boy-howdy he talked up his map, boasting that he was on the verge of finding the vast treasures, etc....

    Well it eventually turned out that his "map" had come straight from the pages of some back issue of a treasure magazine. Just fanciful author rendition, akin to something you could probably get off the back of a Captn' crunch box.

    Or how about the "maps" that circulate about Yamashita legend ? And each one is iron-clad bullet proof authentic right ? Hundreds circulate, each with stellar credentials (passed down , through the family generations, from a soldier who saw the treasure buried). And you can buy treasure maps on the street corners in the Philippines. Each is the "one true" map. All the others are spurious. See ? And as you hear the story spun on the origination of each "map", it will be spell-binding, convincing, etc....

    But as you can see, there is NO WAY that "hundreds of conflicting contradicting" maps are all true. Yet each one of the map holders is quite sincere "they've got a map". And will spin the story of the stellar lineage of it. How can anyone doubt ? But with a little scrutiny, you can see how they are just fanciful drawings by over-zealous starry eyed treasure hunters. Add a little telephone game and presto, you've got yourself an authentic treasure map

    I'll take a look at whatever you want to have me evaluate. But just be aware: The sign of a TRUE treasure hunter, is one that will ask the hard-questions, and seek the "more plausible explanations". NOT the guys who believe everything they're told/shown with zero scrutiny and dreamy eyed visions.
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    Exactly, If you research Drake, you will find that had deposited his gold, I think along the South American coast and captured a silver ship farther north. The silver was off loaded in San Francisco Bay and the ship returned south where he picked up the gold and returned home. This is all kind of fuzzy to me, as I do not have my notes anymore. If you would like to check into it on your own, please send me a P.M. and I will try to give you what I recall and you can decide if you want to run with it. The last time I was in San Francisco was in the 70's. I was taking some courses in geology and panning for gold on the weekends. The most gold I ever found was in the Yellow River at a park in Sacramento. Now I am not sure if that was the name of the river or not. Like I said P.M. me if you want to run with it. I have to decide some time in the next couple of weeks if I want or have to have my next surgery or not. Not sure what the island was he dropped off at. It is late and my sleeping pills are kicking in. Good night.

  3. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    .... If you research Drake, you will find that ....
    I have just read the wiki account, and a few others, of the life and travels of Drake. Nothing about any supposed treasure buried on is Alta CA trip. Only some mention of south america treasure buried on a beach. When ....... upon his arrival there ...... his ships were not waiting for him. But nothing of North America Treasure.

    So that makes me wonder the source of any research one could find , where a supposed Alta CA "treasure" was said to be. You've got my PM info (just click on my name/avetar, and click "Send PM"). But if there is no source of the info, other than someone's fanciful musings, then I would put no stock into it.
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    P.ALLEN, Is that like in Port Allen, LA, or like Paul Allen the person? "Michigan here, love Tupelo though." Is that Michigan as in the state or a city? Tupelo as in the city Elvis was born in? Please try to pin point what you would like to know.

    My brother is named Paul Allen, lol. Patrick here. Michigan as in the State, Tupelo as in where Elvis was born. I work primarily in locating 1812 sites and trails. I'm from Kentucky so I have a lot of love and respect for the Kentucky Volunteers who were basically tricked by their commanding officer Gen Winchester, then subsequently scalped and the survivors forced marched (Bataan style) up north and over to Fort Malden in Ontario. Hull's Highway stuff, found some shoes and tack parts along areas where the trail used to be, but always looking for more info. I also have a friend down in Gallatin TN, who just got into relic hunting who is always looking for the info/locales for the old "Stations" and civil war troop movements throughout the area, Franklin TN had a CSA training staging area( they eventually moved up and into the engagement in Mundfordville Kentucky. Went camping there along the river/canoe trip. Stayed on this sandbar near an old ford. Middle of the night we heard the clip clops of multiple horses moving down the road and into the river...lights on...nothing there..no tracks..not a thing..never got back to sleep that night. Lotta fellas died in that river. Thanks for the response
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    P. I must have ESP. I love your post. I am about to leave for a doctor's visit, and should be back later today.

    Tom, same goes for you.

    Later I hope.

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    hello. I,m from Newfoundland, Canada. Wondering what treasure history you might have discovered from my neck of the woods. thee were many pirates sailing these shores 300 years ago, like peter Easton. looking forward to hearing from you
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    Brent, I am not really up on Canada, but I have a friend up that way. We have a conference set for tonight. Actually in about two hours, I will see if he knows anything. A long time ago I was scheduled to go on a search in Nova Scotia, but had to cancel. I have another friend who does under water recoveries all over the world, if I can track him down, I am sure he should know. Don't know he will say or not.

  8. #23
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    i agree. there are so many treasure maps proliferating here and each one of them claimed their maps are true. in the philippines, there are many scammers here and all of those maps are fake. for how can an ordinary filipino get hold of the said map. authentic maps must come from the japanese themselves. and all of the authentic maps are closely guarded secrets with their lives.
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  9. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by renantagum30 View Post
    i agree. there are so many treasure maps proliferating here and each one of them claimed their maps are true....
    In another post, you alluded to treasure hunts you had financial stake in. And you had said that the source-of-info of the persons you were financing, was a guarded secret. Ie.: they were not telling you the source of their info. Then seeing as how you are here acknowledging that many "maps" are hokey bologna, then: How do you know that the dreamy-eyed TH'rs you financed were not simply relying on this very-same telephone-game "treasure-map" bologna ?
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  10. #25
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    i was referring to the map sir tom...

    we always hit treasure vaults tom. we know it is the treasure vault because it vanishes before our eyes after hearing a loud crack .there is a mini earthquake and the sounds of falling bars. we dont rely on maps. maps are fabricated and peddled by scammers.

    we came to a point that we no longer hit and miss on locating our treasure. the question was always how to recover it without the cement vault sliding. can you not see the point i am always driving you at? i said we were not engaging in a trial and error basis in locating our treasure. when you have encountered vanishing cement vaults and with the earthquake that follows and sounds of falling bars for more than 20 times and almost 30, are we still guessing where the treasure vault is? hell no. my friend was always sure in what he did and i was always there, unlike other keyboard warriors who are just sitting on their laptop trying to discredit everyone here and always imputing malice to every filipino coming here in this forum with a sinister purpose of just asking for financing. i am not. i said i am not here to engage in treasure hunting again. i have learned my lesson very well already.

    our experiment were always how to recover it without sliding. sad to say, we never figured that out . it was always the sliding , and the earthquake, and the falling bars. i dont know how to figure that out. it was good i ran out of money and my friend left for abroad that i was forced to get the yamashita treasure bug out of my system for good.

    i am no believer of maps tom. most especially with those that are for sale. to tell u the truth, we have never relied on maps even once.
    Last edited by renantagum30; Sep 03, 2017 at 09:49 AM.
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    Northeast Oklahoma is where I reside. Anything from my neck of the woods? Send it to me and let me see.........I love the adventure of a good hunt.
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    Brent nothing yet from Canada, I have e-mailed the one who would know, but he has not responded. He could be on a job now, he use to send us pictures from all over the world, but wouldn't tell us where he was.

    Renantagum, I know back in the 1950's a lot of treasure was found by divers in one of the bays. The last time I was in the Philippines was 1965, and when we left the bay was full on empty beer cans, with the top of a rusted WWII ship in the middle. I believe in your man. People around the world call Water Witches to find water, and they do. They feel the vibrations and the water is there. I would guess your man is a Treasure Witch. If you want or don't want to believe it is up to you. The guy who drilled my well had a degree and hit water in one try. I like some clues with a bits of credibility.

    Tom, glad to see you, keep it up.

    Kingskid, what are you into, i would guess Outlaw treasure. I think my great-grand uncle Ed Jennings, was running around that area, but as far as I know, never passed anything information on. He was a layer I mean lawyer, same thing and I would not trust the information anyway. Have you heard of anything in your neck of the woods that sounds good. I am sure if you gave Tom and I a clue, we could shed some light on it. Tom deals with cold hard facts, i like following up on old myths. I like the telephone game. Sure the last person has it totally wrong, but if ask the first they have most of the facts.

    Before Katrina I had a collection of old family Bibles, You never know what you will find in them. I would everything hand-written in them and attempt to find a family member to take them.

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    Tom, "example of "I have a map": You know how there's hardcore believers in the Lost Dutchman mine story, right? And guys are always convinced they're onto something blah blah. Well one time a fellow showed up to talk with other hardcore believers, boasting that "he had a map". But he was clamming up and wouldn't show them. Yet boy-howdy he talked up his map, boasting that he was on the verge of finding the vast treasures, etc...."

    I had a map to The Lost Dutchman Mine, that I made and sold on eBay, along with instructions on how to antique it and find a big rounded rock, paint it with gold spray paint and put in a shadow box. I made a small fortune on it. I wish i still had one of those maps.

    P.S. Just like Julia Thomas did.
    Last edited by 45th_Johnny; Sep 03, 2017 at 02:31 PM. Reason: P.S.
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    Reasoning or psychic powers? I have found many things in my life with reasoning and luck. As a police officer, I had the best personal solve rate in my department. The Chief Of Detectives ran the day shift and had the most men. My partners and i had the least, three, on graveyard. Swing had the second most. The COD decided to have a contest to see who could have the most solves each month. Month one, we had twice as many then solves as the other two combined. Month two, we had three times as many as they had. He stopped the contest.

    Psychic, Luck, no most crimes committed at night maybe, but it was reasoning. The three of us all had degrees in Criminal Justice, true but we reasoned it out. Method, motive, means and opportunity. We went to the scene and took the reports and did the follow up. Over time we all became Captains and left law enforcement. One joined the military and was assigned to the Pentagon and was there on 911, he is now retired. The other became the department Chief, left when the the new administration took over, but continued in another department until he retired. I went on in the to treasure hunting.

    To the meat of the mater: A girl went missing in the area where I lived. She left work late at nite and should have driven straight home, but never arrived. It was storming when she left work. After twenty-four hours her car had not found. The main road was closed and there were two other roads she could have taken, the closes one would have led to a bridge and even though I was no longer a police officer I was going to check that bridge. A psychic from California called and said she would be found in water, and she was. Am I a psychic, no because I used reasoning. Could the psychic really a psychic or did he just see same news reports, as I did to make a calculated guess. At least I figured out what bridge she could have crashed at and the car would have to be in the water in order for no one to see it.

    If I was a psychic I would be happy just winning the lotto, one... in awhile.
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  15. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by renantagum30 View Post
    .... we always hit treasure vaults tom. we know it is the treasure vault because it vanishes before our eyes ....
    I am of the opinion that whatever concrete thing you hit (and then lost) could have been something else other than treasure. Ie.: If it were in fact a man-made object, then some other man made object that was serving another purpose at one time.

    And no, I am not questioning your sincerity of believing. And no, I am not saying you're trying to drum up financing. And no, I am not saying that you believe in the 100+ maps that circulate.
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