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  1. #16

    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyblaze
    Now that im looking at my finds.I do have just some front face parts of these buttons that cc hunter
    was talking about...Its pretty hard to identify finds from the 1600's..Or even find them..Or maybe i have i just dont know it..Are all flat buttons from the 18th century

    John
    Hunting 1600s sites would find you some very old coins! I have found quite a few 1600s coins at my early to mid. 1700s sites, so a true 1600s site would obviously give you 1600s coins, and a chance at 1500s coins. (depending on what part of the century the site dated to) If your oldest coins are George coppers then your sites date into the 1700s. The one thing about this website is that many Europeans throw around the 1500s and 1600s for IDs like it's nothing, and to them that era is pretty common.... but not here! If you're digging 1600s finds off a 1600s site you're doing pretty darn good.

    PS... I have never hunted a site here that I believe dated to the 1600s.

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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....




    Yes but here in New England there must be some sites from the 1600's...
    This is where most of it all began...
    Im not sure where Dirtyville is
    I think its important for members to show where they are from...It gives us a hint on the type of hunting you do..Ex; Civil war ,Rev war,War of 1812...
    So where are you really fron Iron Patch?
    John
    History hunting,once you get hooked to this lifestyle,that lure of treasure......Its an adrenaline rush just talking about it..

  3. #18

    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyblaze



    Yes but here in New England there must be some sites from the 1600's...
    This is where most of it all began...
    Im not sure where Dirtyville is
    I think its important for members to show where they are from...It gives us a hint on the type of hunting you do..Ex; Civil war ,Rev war,War of 1812...
    So where are you really fron Iron Patch?
    John

    I agree, you should have 1600s sites there but they certainly won't be the majority. But the good news is there's probably a lot from the 1700s, and to be honest your chance at the killer stuff is up around the Revolution. I'd much rather pop Rev War stuff than 1600s relics and coins.

    I'm way up North! My oldest sites are French (Acadians) dating from about 1720. Then the next range is Loyalist and early British (1760s -1790 or so) which is my favorite era because this seems to be the zone with the greatest number of keepers. After that, and what we typically find and hunt, is early 1800s British but no later than maybe 1830 if we can help it. Anyway, that's how I would break down my hunting but I have found great finds from all three of those periods so any day I'm digging an old site is a good one.

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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CC Hunter
    The early 18th century two-piece solder seam buttons, are also found without the vent holes. As I recall, the vent hole buttons are nearly always found with a plain face. However, I have found the very early two piece buttons with geometric type designs, with the solder seam edge, and no vent holes. Apparently, the solder work on these did not provide a very secure seam, as this style is usually found with the front face separated from the button back. The vent hole design may possibly be an improvement over this style, so as to provide a better solder seam.

    The very early solder seam buttons without vent holes, are rarely recognized as being some of the earliest Colonial button styles found in North America. The separated domed face portions, separated backs with wire shanks, as well as complete examples, are often thought to be later Victorian pieces. This is far from the fact, as these buttons are actually 150 years earlier.

    Whenever I have been fortunate to find and identify these pieces of history, coins from the late 1600's were often close by!

    CC Hunter
    Here is an example of the type of button CC Hunter is talking about. See the middle button in the bottom row. This would have had a plain domed front soldered on. It has an inserted wire shank. The third one from the left in the top row is another example except it has a drilled eye shank. For some reason I find lots of backs for these buttons, but very few of the fronts.
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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    I personally think the vast majority of blowhole (vent back) buttons we find are more like early to mid 1700s, yes they first appeared past 1675 or so but based on the ones I have found over the years, most of my sites at the earliest would be 1730 or so, with most being Rev War era and later. Not to say one could have had the buttons/clothing for many years before settling here, but in general I think they are of that era.

    I went through my button boxes, where I did not have that type seperated and this is all I could find, some with just the back shell, I know I have others but heavens knows what nock or cranny I have them stored at.
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    This photo is from a very isolated site that shows a good representation of what was found along with the blowhole button, I estimate the site to have been occupied only for a short time (less than a generation) and most likely from 1730 till perhaps 1760s. I believe this sawmill was abandoned about then and bigger one built on a nearby stream, thus closing this one down.
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    Don
    "The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
    For undug coins this is true. For dug coins this is untrue.
    The value will increase with judicious cleaning."

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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    My best guess is French made.I only say that because some of the things found at the site & in my area French period (1719-1722)‎. Maybe i'm wrong if crusader finds them a lot -but the English & spanish had different ways of casting buttons in this time....
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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Don in SJ
    I personally think the vast majority of blowhole (vent back) buttons we find are more like early to mid 1700s, yes they first appeared past 1675 or so but based on the ones I have found over the years, most of my sites at the earliest would be 1730 or so, with most being Rev War era and later. Not to say one could have had the buttons/clothing for many years before settling here, but in general I think they are of that era.

    I went through my button boxes, where I did not have that type seperated and this is all I could find, some with just the back shell, I know I have others but heavens knows what nock or cranny I have them stored at.


    This photo is from a very isolated site that shows a good representation of what was found along with the blowhole button, I estimate the site to have been occupied only for a short time (less than a generation) and most likely from 1730 till perhaps 1760s. I believe this sawmill was abandoned about then and bigger one built on a nearby stream, thus closing this one down.



    Don
    Thank you for the presentation, Don. You do have a lot of these buttons and should be proud to say that you have hunted the earliest sites that SJ can offer. We found three Blowhole buttons last year as a group. I believe Kyle got two from the productive Colonial site in March.

    Since I have learned more about them, I could dig these buttons all day long.

    Kirk

    Quote Originally Posted by RELICDUDE07
    My best guess is French made.I only say that because some of the things found at the site & in my area French period (1719-1722)‎. Maybe i'm wrong if crusader finds them a lot -but the English & spanish had different ways of casting buttons in this time....
    Thank you for sharing the Blowhole buttons that you excavated in West Florida.

    Kirk
    Keep the passion high!

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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    I was not familiar with these buttons. Thanks to CC for bringing these to my attention.

    Being an ex-A/C repairman and plumber, I can verify that you cannot solder a pipe without an exit for the expanding gases.
    If you dont vent the pipe somewhere, it will blow the solder out of the seam.
    Thus the need for blow holes.

    I know most shanks are soldered but are modern 2 piece buttons pressed together?
    Is it done after the shank is soldered?

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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    I have a fourth one somewhere, but I can't seem to find it.

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  10. #25
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    Re: Blowhole Buttons Only.....

    Here are some of mine.
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    I just got one yesterday, there were two in the same hole. I already gave one away. I don't think I've found a complete one before, but haven't checked over all my junk buttons.

    Anyway I found this thread searching for info on it, it is in good condition, and was included in my last post 1816 6 pence. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/to...ml#post2777019

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