Florida Beach Spearpoint

[izik34]

Spearpoint (im assuming because of size) that was found on the beach in Jax Beach florida. Its 3 inches long and over 2 inches wide at the widest point. Dont know anything about it so Im asking the "experts" Im looking to find out ANYTHING about this point that I can. Thanks for the help in advance!

 

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[fever87]

Awesome!
When I was stationed at Mayport I used to hunt shark teeth on the base beach and one of the base cops was usually out there. He had picked up a few similar points on the section of beach.

 

[izik34]

Thats great to know. Now I just need information on this spear point....Anyone help?

 

[joshuaream]

I'd call it a Wacissa or maybe an Abbey, but it's definitely an archaic stemmed point.

My favorite quote from Farr's typology work on Florida is "Many Archaic stemmed forms were so poorly made as to blur type categorization." It could be called a number of different things.

FWIW, It doesn't really look like a beach find to me, that type of patina is more common on dry land finds inland. (That said it could have just eroded out of a dry dune or something, or if they bring in sand to replenish the beach it could have come that way.)

 

[izik34]

Deff. a beach find....took some pictures in the shells where I found it as well. The only replenishing that goes on is "dredging" from offshore that I know of. Most common thing I have heard is Wacissa....early archaic.

 

[tmodel]

check out the [Levy 5000 to 3000bp] and the[Elora [6000 to 3000bp] projectile point .net Terry

 

[GaRebel1861]

FWIW, It doesn't really look like a beach find to me, that type of patina is more common on dry land finds inland. (That said it could have just eroded out of a dry dune or something, or if they bring in sand to replenish the beach it could have come that way.)
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I agree

 

[izik34]

Well I dont know what else I would call it. I said beach find because I personally "found" it on the beach? Hum.....

 

[GaRebel1861]

It's a nice point, and if it is the first that you have found there then you are off to a good start!

 

[joshuaream]

Well I dont know what else I would call it. I said beach find because I personally "found" it on the beach? Hum.....

If it was coming out of a shell midden it probably wouldn't have the same patina as points that wash down the river or up from ocean. I'd get out and look for more, where there is one in that type of setting their might be more.

 

[centfladigger]

looks like a wacissa

 

[DymonsNRust]

Spearpoint (im assuming because of size) that was found on the beach in Jax Beach florida. Its 3 inches long and over 2 inches wide at the widest point. Dont know anything about it so Im asking the "experts" Im looking to find out ANYTHING about this point that I can. Thanks for the help in advance!

Not to be a party-pooper but the new laws in Florida concerning Native American points of any kind - to harvest them anywhere in the state is illegal.

"NOTE: Please refer to the Florida Bureau of Archaeology regarding the privilege to pick up isolated Native American artifacts. THE LAW HAS CHANGED. See http://dhr.dos.state.fl.us/archaeology/underwater/finds/ or go to their general website at http://dhr.dos.state.fl.us/archaeology/.

If you find an Indian artifact, such as an arrowhead, the easy--and ILLEGAL--thing to do is hide it and take it home. More than likely you’ll get away with it. But you may be subject to arrest if caught. The state of Florda has recently decided to abolish the Isolated Finds Program, which would have allowed you to keep your finds, with certain restrictions.

Because the decision to abolish the program is still in legal limbo, your best bet is to bookmark the authoritative agency's web site and keep track of the changes."
Just don't want you to get into trouble. It is a nice point!

 

[izik34]

I didnt know that they changed again. Thanks for the info I felt bad and took it back to the place I found it and set it down. Just to see it picked back up by the first person walking by...hope they turn it in

 

[tomclark]

Yep, it's a misdemeanor to pick items up on state lands and in state waters. It's a felony to dig it up.
Basts! This is coming to YOUR state. Believe it. The Fossil guys are next. Detectorists, bottles, etc, etc.

The 2011 Florida Statutes

Title XVIII
PUBLIC LANDS AND PROPERTY Chapter 267
HISTORICAL RESOURCES View Entire Chapter

267.13 Prohibited practices; penalties.—(1)(a) Any person who by means other than excavation either conducts archaeological field investigations on, or removes or attempts to remove, or defaces, destroys, or otherwise alters any archaeological site or specimen located upon, any land owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark zone, except in the course of activities pursued under the authority of a permit or under procedures relating to accredited institutions granted by the division, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, and, in addition, shall forfeit to the state all specimens, objects, and materials collected, together with all photographs and records relating to such material.
(b) Any person who by means of excavation either conducts archaeological field investigations on, or removes or attempts to remove, or defaces, destroys, or otherwise alters any archaeological site or specimen located upon, any land owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark zone, except in the course of activities pursued under the authority of a permit or under procedures relating to accredited institutions granted by the division, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, and any vehicle or equipment of any person used in connection with the violation is subject to forfeiture to the state if it is determined by any court of law that the vehicle or equipment was involved in the violation. Such person shall forfeit to the state all specimens, objects, and materials collected or excavated, together with all photographs and records relating to such material. The court may also order the defendant to make restitution to the state for the archaeological or commercial value and cost of restoration and repair as defined in subsection (4).
(c) Any person who offers for sale or exchange any object with knowledge that it has previously been collected or excavated in violation of any of the terms of ss. 267.11-267.14, or who procures, counsels, solicits, or employs any other person to violate any prohibition contained in ss. 267.11-267.14 or to sell, purchase, exchange, transport, receive, or offer to sell, purchase, or exchange any archaeological resource excavated or removed from any land owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark zone, except with the express consent of the division, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, and any vehicle or equipment of any person used in connection with the violation is subject to forfeiture to the state if it is determined by any court of law that such vehicle or equipment was involved in the violation. All specimens, objects, and material collected or excavated, together with all photographs and records relating to such material, shall be forfeited to the state. The court may also order the defendant to make restitution to the state for the archaeological or commercial value and cost of restoration and repair as defined in subsection (4).
(2)(a) The division may institute an administrative proceeding to impose an administrative fine of not more than $500 a day on any person or business organization that, without written permission of the division, explores for, salvages, or excavates treasure trove, artifacts, sunken or abandoned ships, or other objects having historical or archaeological value located on state-owned or state-controlled lands, including state sovereignty submerged lands.
(b) The division shall institute an administrative proceeding by serving written notice of a violation by certified mail upon the alleged violator. The notice shall specify the law or rule allegedly violated and the facts upon which the allegation is based. The notice shall also specify the amount of the administrative fine sought by the division. The fine shall not become due until after service of notice and an administrative hearing. However, the alleged violator shall have 20 days from service of notice to request an administrative hearing. Failure to respond within that time shall constitute a waiver, and the fine shall become due without a hearing.
(c) The division may enter its judgment for the amount of the administrative penalty imposed in a court of competent jurisdiction, pursuant to s. 120.69. The judgment may be enforced as any other judgment.
(d) The division may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction for injunctive relief against any person or business organization that explores for, salvages, or excavates treasure trove, artifacts, sunken or abandoned ships, or other objects having historical or archaeological value located on state-owned or state-controlled land, including state sovereignty submerged land, without the written permission of the division.
(e) The division shall adopt rules pursuant to ss. 120.536(1) and 120.54 to implement the provisions of this section.
(3) Any person who:
(a) Reproduces, retouches, reworks, or forges any archaeological or historical object originating from an archaeological site as designated by ss. 267.11-267.14 and deriving its principal value from its antiquity or makes any such object, whether a copy or not; or
(b) Falsely labels, describes, identifies, or offers for sale or exchange any object with intent to represent the same to be an original and genuine archaeological or historical specimen,
commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(4) DETERMINATION OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR COMMERCIAL VALUE AND COST OF RESTORATION AND REPAIR.—
(a) Archaeological value.—For purposes of this section, the archaeological value of any archaeological resource involved in a violation of the prohibitions in ss. 267.11-267.14 or conditions of a permit issued pursuant to ss. 267.11-267.14 shall be the value of the data associated with the archaeological resource. This value shall be appraised in terms of the costs of the retrieval of the scientific information which would have been obtainable prior to the violation. These costs may include, but need not be limited to, the cost of preparing a research design, conducting field work, carrying out laboratory analysis, and preparing reports as would be necessary to realize the information potential.
(b) Commercial value.—For purposes of this section, the commercial value of any archaeological resource involved in a violation of the prohibitions in ss. 267.11-267.14 or conditions of a permit issued pursuant to ss. 267.11-267.14 shall be its fair market value. Where the violation has resulted in damage to the archaeological resource, the fair market value should be determined using the condition of the archaeological resource prior to the violation, to the extent that its prior condition can be ascertained.
(c) Cost of restoration and repair.—For purposes of this section, the cost of restoration and repair of archaeological resources damaged as a result of a violation of prohibitions or conditions pursuant to this section shall be the sum of the costs already incurred for emergency restoration or repair work, plus those costs projected to be necessary to complete restoration and repair, which may include, but need not be limited to, the costs of the following:
1. Reconstruction of the archaeological resource.
2. Stabilization of the archaeological resource.
3. Ground contour reconstruction and surface stabilization.
4. Research necessary to carry out reconstruction or stabilization.
5. Physical barriers or other protective devices, necessitated by the disturbance of the archaeological resource, to protect it from further disturbance.
6. Examination and analysis of the archaeological resource, including recording remaining archaeological information, where necessitated by disturbance, in order to salvage remaining values which cannot be otherwise conserved.
7. Reinterment of human remains in accordance with religious custom and state, local, or tribal law, where appropriate, as determined by the land manager.
8. Preparation of reports relating to any of the activities described in this paragraph.
History.—s. 1, ch. 73-166; s. 9, ch. 81-173; s. 1, ch. 93-114; s. 15, ch. 2001-199; s. 18, ch. 2005-207.