Bad pans & good pans .

jack outbush

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Having used many types of pans for many years I now support the Kress hypothesis . :icon_thumleft:
Some years back i posted the following :--

GOLD PAN and the Kress hypothesis
The importance of the angle of slope of the circular wall is implicit in all US patents for gold pans, but only in the 1950s did any inventor properly examine the effect of the slope on panning performance. It was Bruce Kress who first developed a hypothesis for wall slope in 1957 in US patent #2,797,809. The Kress hypothesis might be reworded as:
The angle of inward slope of the circular wall of a gold pan should be in the range of 18 to 26 degrees; less than this and the contents of the pan are likely to remain inert, more than this and the contents of the pan are prone to collapse regardless of the size of the particles or their density.

If the Kress hypothesis is correct, then the majority of North American pans have outer walls that are much too steep for ease of efficient use. Yet thousands of recreational miners, prospectors and geologists continue to use steep-sided pans. Possibly the Kress hypothesis is erroneous; more likely the hypothesis is correct but compromised by the overriding desire of the panner to have a central flat area of maximum size to contain the maximum ore and water during the initial wetting, disaggregating and sorting. Only in the later stages of panning does the Kress hypothesis become critical, after the volume of solids and water in the pan have become greatly reduced. Tests and detailed observations are required. In the 50 years since the Kress hypothesis was propounded; more than 10 North American gold pans have been patented but all ignore it.

Please consider when buying your next pan !

jack
 

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Goldwasher

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any bad pan is one thats smooth and not seasoned,

I like the roaring camp pans but they are too smooth and need some rough texture and not just super slick plastic........

if it were made of a different plastic it would be my favorite pan. Softer and less brittle it would season well. The color is great and the trap is awesome.

i may be down ther ein June if so i'm gonna ask about it.
 

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I really am not a fan of the trap in the roaring camp pan, I really like the the red wine color and and the rest of the pan but the trap messes me up every time. I'm not a fan of pans with funky traps in the bottom. The Kress pan has a pretty funky trap in it. I like a wide flat bottom on the pan, my favorites are my 16" steel estwing and my Garrett super sluice.
 

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I still like this bad boy........


 

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The batea is one of the oldest gold pan designs and still one of the fastest and most efficient. I cannot figure out why no one is mass producing them other than the design cannot be patented without adding some sort of "gimmick" which would make it unique and a patentable design.
 

rodoconnor

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I've made a few bateas out of plastic. Pretty simple. They are by far my favorite pans.
 

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The batea is one of the oldest gold pan designs and still one of the fastest and most efficient. I cannot figure out why no one is mass producing them other than the design cannot be patented without adding some sort of "gimmick" which would make it unique and a patentable design.

I'd buy a metal one if it were priced reasonably (only manufacturer I found was charging an insane amount).
 

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jack outbush

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Great to see so much information being posted about pans , ever wondered why an easy to use quick performing dry pan has yet to be invented ?

I've got some ideas of how to make a hybrid that would work :thumbsup: imagine be a small portable efficient unit that could process material all day long & allow the prospector to only carry back a few ounces of heavies .

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The Trinity Pan (third pictured in Oregon Viking's post) has a bit of a learning curve but is very effective on fine gold. I have a couple of Turbopans and have fun playing with them. Again, they have a bit of a learning curve even for an experienced panner. Here is a very informative article on gold pan theory and patents: http://roadrunnergold.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/History-of-Gold-Pans.pdf

Thank you for the link. Enjoyed it thoroughly. :icon_thumleft:
Kelava’s Spiral Gold Pan gave me an idea to experiment with a spare spiral wheel that I never use. I always liked the idea of having a gold trap in the bottom of the pan. Stratify once and done.

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Always good to examine Why some pans perform better then others , although we are capable of getting all pan shapes to work ' I like to know what is going on !
For those who wish to dig deep into the subject I give the following study :
https://books.google.com.au/books?i...IIjAC#v=onepage&q=granular convention&f=false

jack .:wave:

Appreciate the link. Explains the material behaviors I have noticed in the field but didn't quite understand the exact mechanics behind them.

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Right now my Kress pan is in storage but it has a very shallow draft of 22 degrees.
You can make one with a modern steel pan and some punch plate if you're handy, but you're still stuck with the modern 45 degree draft.

Think I'll make one from scratch so I can maintain the shallow draft of 22 deg.

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Just bought a new 14" proline from the local prospecting store. Looking forward to giving it a shot next time I'm out :)
 

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jack outbush

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Thanks to this exchange of ideas , maybe another pan design ----
Imagine a second sleeve that's moulded to the same shape of a pan with no riffles But allows a gap where the heavies collect first with stratification , you then slide it forward to dump all the lights .

Would be so much faster then traditional panning .
Hope you get the idea from my limited explanation ?

jack

jack .
 

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Thanks to this exchange of ideas , maybe another pan design ----
Imagine a second sleeve that's moulded to the same shape of a pan with no riffles But allows a gap where the heavies collect first with stratification , you then slide it forward to dump all the lights .

Would be so much faster then traditional panning .
Hope you get the idea from my limited explanation ?

jack

jack .

I like the idea.

Like a suggly fit pan shaped cup in the corner of the pan that you could use to slide the heavies out from under the lights.:tongue3:
 

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jack outbush

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I like the idea.

Like a suggly fit pan shaped cup in the corner of the pan that you could use to slide the heavies out from under the lights.:tongue3:

Hello Duckshot ' that's not a bad idea ! but what I ment was a slide to remove the lights & just leave heavies ' well that's what I think I mean :icon_scratch::laughing7:
 

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