Lost island : Isle de Mangane

[Dr. Gaetan Algoet]

I have found in the archives information about a French ship wrecked at "Isle de Mangane" near Saint-dominique(Dominican Republic)
I can't find the island on the current maps and didn't find it on the maps I have of the past.
Because the ship sank the July 23th 1762 some years before 1770 it is possible lost due to the big earthquacke. I know that time where some island vanished from the maps. I don't know the size of the island. Nothing was written of it. There was only written that the ship sunk on the rocks of "Isle de Mangane"
One trail points in the direction of "Isle de Mogane" but then they must have made a big writingerror.

All ideas, sugestions and old maps from Hispaniola are welcome.


Gaëtan

 

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[pcolaboy]

"Mangane" was sometimes used as an abbreviated term for Manganese Ore. I wonder if you could find some information on ore deposits in the surrounding area of the D.R. to narrow down your search?

 

[Mackaydon]

Greetings Dr:
Other possibilities are the word is misspelled or the island was first named after an inhabitant (since Mangane is a family name) then quickly changed to its current name.
Don.......

 

[pcolaboy]

Greetings Dr:
Other possibilities are the word is misspelled or the island was first named after an inhabitant (since Mangane is a family name) then quickly changed to its current name.
Don.......

Good point.

 

[Dr. Gaetan Algoet]

Greetings Dr:
Other possibilities are the word is misspelled or the island was first named after an inhabitant (since Mangane is a family name) then quickly changed to its current name.
Don.......

Good point.

That is right. Names of islands and even lands often change. That's why I was looking for old maps. This ship shipwrecked around 1764 and in the official archives was written Isle de Mangane.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

http://luna.ts.tulane.edu/luna/serv...sort=Work_Dates,Creator_Name,Title,Image_Date Top left yellow island?

 

[ivan salis]

we have a winner due to relic dude 07 *** listing the french "old" map (1722) --- I cross checked it with a modern "english" one ---its listed on the old map both ways (Isle de Mangane -ou de Mayaguane)-- its modern name (in english) is Mayaguana --its part of the Bahamas

 

[mariner]

Well done, Relicdude 07 ! Terrific resolution on that collection of maps, by the way.

 

[sphillips]

Sounds French, could it have been on the Haiti end of Hispaniola?

 

[ivan salis]

the "old map" is in french * the island is called mayaguana * in english --and ts part of the bahamas.

 

[Dr. Gaetan Algoet]

http://luna.ts.tulane.edu/luna/serv...sort=Work_Dates,Creator_Name,Title,Image_Date Top left yellow island?

It's a very nice map there. But unfortunaly this is "Isle de Mogane" and what I look for is "Isle de Mangane". Well very nice work and the map is extraordenary. I would like to have a copy of it.
Also everybody for the help. The name is correct due to the archives. MANGANE.
But if I don't find it I will go to Paris and check in the archives the original documents to see or there is a possible mistake of the name.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Heres 1 more map from 1575 if its not on here ,i think they spelled something wrong..... The area was called the french keys on the old maps close to the (Isle de mogane) and this 1 Macanei island ..Thats where i would start looking for it ...http://luna.ts.tulane.edu/luna/serv...EY~8~1,RUMSEY~9~1,Stanford~6~1&mi=172&trs=221

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good afternoon Ladies & Gentlemen: This is a wonderful example of the value of co-operation between professional and amateur Archaeologists. Both have benefited.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[sphillips]

Got this off the internet:

Hispaniola was under Spanish control until 1697 when the western third of the island became a French possession. In 1804, the western part of the island became the Republic of Haiti. French people called this region “Saint Dominique”.

 

[Dr. Gaetan Algoet]

"Mangane" was sometimes used as an abbreviated term for Manganese Ore. I wonder if you could find some information on ore deposits in the surrounding area of the D.R. to narrow down your search?

I also heard of this but couldn't find some usefull information yet.

 

[itmaiden]

Manganese Ore is heavily mined in Brazil, and to some degree it was mined on the Island of Pines, on the south side of Cuba. While Manganese has been found in the soil in the DR, I found no evidence of any industrial mining for the mineral in that location.

itmaiden

"Mangane" was sometimes used as an abbreviated term for Manganese Ore. I wonder if you could find some information on ore deposits in the surrounding area of the D.R. to narrow down your search?

 

[Panfilo]

?

 

[sphillips]

Relicdude07,

Your first map is fantastic. Its ironic that on that map you have Spanish and French words, then in the upper right corner, Long Island in the Bahamas is still, "Long Island"!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

TALLY HO Panfilo, a perfect post. It now can be matched up with the first map.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[ivan salis]

please note the "reef structure" the oval type reef at the western end of the island listed as "mogane" as well as long the northern east top end "reef" area ---now compare it with the reef structure of the Ilse of "Mangane" map -- I do believe based upon what I see that --Isle de Mangane (of the bahama's) * --and Isle de Mongane are in fact one in the same.-- fine work --relic dude 07 and panfilo*