Todays Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

[Michigan Badger]

Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Here's an odd ball find at a Rev. War site.

Ever see anything like this before? Not me.

Any ideas?

It's brass or copper stamped one side and is 27mm by 28mm.

Zeb

 

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[vic910]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Really cool find! Welcome to the forum, you're gonna love it here!

vicki

 

[JakePhelps]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Great find!! Looks like something from that period to me...Any other finds from that area?

 

[jeff of pa]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

NICE whatever it Is.

Welcome & Thanks For Sharing.

Jeff

 

[Michigan Badger]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Just this. Not much.

Zeb

 

[JakePhelps]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Not much?!? Thats a great old coin, if i remember correctly its british 1700's or 1800's.

 

[tsgman]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Zeb, could that first item be a lead wax seal ? As for the last pic I am fairly certain thats a King George 2nd Copper Half Penny. My friend and I both found one last Sunday at a Colonial Fort site. The Coppers with the bust looking left were from George 2nd, and George 3rd had his bust looking right. According to British Regal Coppers web site most of them here were counterfitted. Check out my post on Colonial Forts Sites in Missouri, it was just posted yesterday. Really nice find since they were made around the middle 1700's. I would be curious to know if you can read the date. I soaked mine in olive oil and can make out 17 but not the last two numbers.

 

[HEADHUNTER]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Nice finds...Keep looking..

headhunter

 

[lonewolfe]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

It looks like the little round tags that were in an insert/recessed into the Roma cleaner bottles back in the 50s/60s??

That's my guess,

cool find,

HH

Lonewolfe

 

[Michigan Badger]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

It looks like the little round tags that were in an insert/recessed into the Roma cleaner bottles back in the 50s/60s??

That's my guess,

cool find,

HH

Lonewolfe

I think you're on the right track. It's too thick to be what you said but it most likely was some sort of token or it was hand cut from the ad metal plate of some sort of "Roma" product. Items marked "Roma" are everything from dolls to crewing tobacco. It's most likely just one of those later dropped items we find mixed in with old stuff at old hunt sites. Oh well, it's still kind of neat.

Thanks

 

[Michigan Badger]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Zeb,? could that first item be a lead wax seal ?? As for the last pic I am fairly certain thats a King George 2nd Copper Half Penny.? My friend? and I both found one last Sunday at a Colonial Fort site.? The Coppers with the bust looking left were from George 2nd, and George 3rd had his bust looking right. According to British Regal Coppers web site most of them here were counterfitted.? Check out my post on Colonial Forts Sites in Missouri, it was just posted yesterday. Really nice find since they were made around the middle 1700's. I would be curious to know if you can read the date.? I soaked mine in olive oil and can make out 17 but not the last two numbers.

Thanks for the info on the copper. Maybe it's a better find than I think. I can't read the date yet but I'll soak it in olive oil and then let you know if it ever shows up.

Zeb

 

[DugHoles]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Ah the mystery......nice haul

GL & HH,

DugHoles

 

[tsgman]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Lance in Vermont said they are very collectible and worth alot ? Just take care when cleaning it. I only let it soak and thats it. Good luck on the date.

 

[Michigan Badger]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Lance in Vermont said they are very collectible and worth alot ? Just take care when cleaning it.? I only let it soak and thats it. Good luck on the date.

Thanks.

I totally agree with your cleaning method. There's nothing more discouraging than to see a clear date and then after cleaning discover it disappeared (I've been there and done it). Another bad deal is to clean a coin down to some nasty odd color with acid. Personally, I hate those fake coin coloring/repatinating techniques (heat, Dellers, metal dyes, vinegar and salt, etc.). Just my own opinion.

Best only remove that which makes the coin flat out ugly and leave everything else. I sometimes use diamond dusted hand tools to clean out detail and smooth surfaces.

 

[comfyinvermont]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Hey 123, nice find. Welcome to the forum. TSGMAN is right, that is a King George II half penny and were minted from 1729 to 1754. Some of the counterfeit ones, particularly the ones of King George III, right after the Revolutionary war are valuable. A Machin's Mills (1786-1789) one in nice shape can be worth $300 or more. They are definately fund to find. Congrats...Lance

 

[Michigan Badger]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Hey 123, nice find.? Welcome to the forum.? TSGMAN is right, that is a King George II half penny and were minted from 1729 to 1754.? Some of the counterfeit ones, particularly the ones of King George III, right after the Revolutionary war are valuable.? A Machin's Mills (1786-1789) one in nice shape can be worth $300 or more.? They are definitely fund to find.? Congrats...Lance

I have a pile of old dug thin coppers that are obviously Brit in origin. Most dug in Virgina and south Carolina.

Question: How do you tell a Machin's Mills ?? I sold a couple dug coppers online and some said they were Mills and others said no. Personally I don't know these. I just bought a book on ebay titled "Provincial Copper Coins or Tokens" by Pye. I'm hoping it will help me ID some of my finds.

Zeb

 

[comfyinvermont]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Question: How do you tell a Machin's Mills ? I sold a couple dug coppers online and some said they were Mills and others said no. Personally I don't know these. I just bought a book on ebay titled "Provincial Copper Coins or Tokens" by Pye. I'm hoping it will help me ID some of my finds.

Zeb

Hey Zeb, tough question. First of all the King George III half pennies that are authentic are only dated 1770 through 1775, 1799 or 1806 and 1807. So if you find one with a date other than that you know that it is counterfeit. There are several ones that were made in the US that are collectable. The first ones were struck in New York City prior to 1786 and are usually dated 1771, 1772 and 1774-1776. The second group was also minted in NYC by John Bailey and Ephraim Brasher during the first half of 1787 and are dated 1787. The third group was struck at Machin's Mills during the second half of 1787 and into 1788 and are dated 1776, 1778, 1787 and 1788. There is another group attributed to Atlee and can be identified by a single outline in the crosses of Britannia's shield. (This information comes from The Standard Catalogue of English & UK Coins 1066 to date, and The Red Book of United States Coins) In the redbook there are some good pictures on page 54. I am attaching a picture of a Machin's Mill I found a few weeks ago. Unless you find one in good shape, you are probably not going to be able to tell if it is real or not. A real King George II dating from 1770 to 1775 is going to weigh between 9.2 and 10.8 grams. I hope this helps a little bit to answer your question. In general, if you are going to buy one, make sure you know the seller....Lance

 

[Michigan Badger]

Re: Today's Find Roma Coin at Rev. War Site Virginia

Hey Zeb, tough question.? First of all the King George III half pennies that are authentic are only dated 1770 through 1775, 1799 or 1806 and 1807.? So if you find one with a date other than that you know that it is counterfeit.

Thanks much for all the info. I've always found this so confusing. I wish they just had a book with clear pictures of all the known US colonial copper counterfeits.

I get lots of these thin oldies and usually just sell them on ebay because I can't tell the difference. I usually get a great BIG "Thank You!" from the buyer so I know they're finding some good stuff.

I'm really not a collector of anything but I would like to know what my hard-earned finds are.

Zeb