Gold Poesy ring UPDATED!! Date CONFIRMED by The British Museum!!

[umrgolf]

UPDATE- After exchanging emails with The British Museum for a second opinion, they were able to date the ring by the maker's mark "1G" The maker was John Greene I, active goldsmith 1630-1663. Here is the confirmation info for anyone interested.. (click on the photo to enlarge the mark) Also, if you look at the writing on the inscription of the ring in this link, it looks strikingly familiar

http://www.britishmuseum.org/resear...on_database/museum_no__provenance_search.aspx


This started Saturday 5/22 at a CW campsite my partner and I had been hunting for the last month or so.. Up until that morning, nothing colonial had been found. The 1640 copper was the first of these finds to be recovered and never thought I could find anything that would compare. Then Monday, I obtained permission at the adjacent property and started out finding a few CW buttons and bullets.. About 2 hours into the hunt I got a signal bouncing between 68-72. Five inches below was the 1666 Spanish Cob (potosi mint, pillars and waves.. the 66 of 1666 is upside down and can be seen on the side with the cross).. No more than 2 hours later I was tired of wandering around and decided to head back to the area where the cob came from. On my way, I got a weak mid 40's signal that was only hitting in one direction. No more than 6 inches down was the posy ring. Fast forward to Wednesday.. My partner (Sentinel) took me to one of his honey holes.. The first find was the 1773 VA halfpenny. The signal was horrible, hitting mid 50's and iron in the opposite direction. As the day was coming to an end, I got a signal that was in the range of a 3 ringer, maybe a couple numbers higher.. I was pretty happy to see a silver disc come out of the hole. After walking over to show Josh what I thought was a Spanish milled reale, we soon realized that it was something much different. It turned out to be a 1697 King William III shilling.


Here are some new pics from last 3 hunts, showing the reverses as well.. and the pictures of the inscription, the halfpenny I left as seen in the last photo below






the god


of peace


our love


increase



the copper on the left side of the pic is a 1773 VA halfpenny which was the only year they were minted (in London) and roughly 600,000 total

 

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[Hill Billy]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Didn't want to visit anyway

Jeff you guys are really kicking butt this year, congrats on your finds.

 

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[umrgolf]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Didn't want to visit anyway

Jeff you guys are really kicking butt this year, congrats on your finds.

Haha, you know ur always welcome here. Seriously. PM me or email me at [email protected] if you are serious.. and thank you

 

[Hill Billy]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

What's it take to make the banner nowadays?
Might show up one night when you least expect it.

 

[umrgolf]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

What's it take to make the banner nowadays?
Might show up one night when you least expect it.

Votes I guess.. If you show up one night, we can go hit the local tavern, then the colonial tavern in the am.

 

[{Sentinel}]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

You've had a great run my friend, a WONDERFUL Streak of luck! These are exceptional pieces of history worthy of any museum in the land!!

 

[umrgolf]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

You've had a great run my friend, a WONDERFUL Streak of luck! These are exceptinal pieces of histoy worthy of any musuem in the land!!

Thanks ole buddy ole pal That's a toast, and now passing the streak on to you

 

[MaineRelic]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

THE BANNER IS BROKEN ! MaineRelic

 

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

damn you been on fire lately! nice coinage! reeeaal nice!

 

[ASG3]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Don't post here much but nice week you had! Just saw your video on youtube

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

 

[umrgolf]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

British Museum Man ,you don't fool around ! The ring is a stellar find , probably once in a lifetime ,unless you travel across the pond. You are fortunate , there was an old settlement near my location that was a whaling village ,complete with a town hall ,numerous homes ,stores, a tavern etc. in the mid 1600's till 1790's . It was called, Portsmouth . Unfortunately, it is now under the Delaware Bay, a half mile off the beach . I search the area after storms but only found a 1740 KG. Great that you have such a historical area to play around in . Jersey still has its share of old stuff, but it takes much research . Speaking of research ,I think it may go back to the Jamestown early colonial days ,maybe Smitty's ring . CMDdawg

 

[Deepdiger60]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

Wow British museum if anyone knows they will i hope that ring proves very old it will be a new page in the history books good luck and let us know what the museum says Dd60

 

[Deepdiger60]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

British Museum Man ,you don't fool around ! The ring is a stellar find , probably once in a lifetime ,unless you travel across the pond. You are fortunate , there was an old settlement south of my location that was a whaling village ,complete with a town hall ,numerous homes ,stores, a tavern etc. in the mid 1600's till 1790's . It was called, Portsmouth . Unfortunately, it is now under the Delaware Bay, a half mile off the beach . I search the area after storms but only found a 1740 KG. Great that you have such a historical area to play around in . Jersey still has its share of old stuff, but it takes much research . Speaking of research ,I think it may go back to the Jamestown early colonial days ,maybe Smitty's ring . CMDdawg

There one town next to mine i have not yet tried its just as old as this one i cant wait to get premission to hunt a few ports and fields .

Highlights from Greenport’s History

Early Settlement
Barnabus Horton led a small band of adventurers who crossed the Atlantic from England in 1640 and set foot in Southold, the township that now includes the Village of Greenport. Before the Revolutionary War, the village was referred to as Winter Harbor, and later Stirling, after George Washington’s General, Lord Sterling. The earliest records list property belonging to the Young family, west of Stirling Creek, where a busy wharf saw ships bound for South America and the Caribbean load and discharge their cargo during the Revolutionary War era. The name of the village was changed again to Greenhill and finally renamed Greenport when the village was incorporated as part of Southold Town in 1838.

Early Maritime Industry
Between 1795 and 1859 Greenport became a major whaling port with twenty-four whaling ships making a total of 103 voyages.

 

[shaun7]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

British Museum Man ,you don't fool around ! The ring is a stellar find , probably once in a lifetime ,unless you travel across the pond. You are fortunate , there was an old settlement south of my location that was a whaling village ,complete with a town hall ,numerous homes ,stores, a tavern etc. in the mid 1600's till 1790's . It was called, Portsmouth . Unfortunately, it is now under the Delaware Bay, a half mile off the beach . I search the area after storms but only found a 1740 KG. Great that you have such a historical area to play around in . Jersey still has its share of old stuff, but it takes much research . Speaking of research ,I think it may go back to the Jamestown early colonial days ,maybe Smitty's ring . CMDdawg

Probably a once in a lifetime find over here too!

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

British Museum Man ,you don't fool around ! The ring is a stellar find , probably once in a lifetime ,unless you travel across the pond. You are fortunate , there was an old settlement south of my location that was a whaling village ,complete with a town hall ,numerous homes ,stores, a tavern etc. in the mid 1600's till 1790's . It was called, Portsmouth . Unfortunately, it is now under the Delaware Bay, a half mile off the beach . I search the area after storms but only found a 1740 KG. Great that you have such a historical area to play around in . Jersey still has its share of old stuff, but it takes much research . Speaking of research ,I think it may go back to the Jamestown early colonial days ,maybe Smitty's ring . CMDdawg

Probably a once in a lifetime find over here too!

Of course, there's many things not near as good that you'll only find once or not even at all. So saying it's once in a lifetime find is easily the truth, and it's probably a better than that indicates.

PS... And a Cartwheel is a nonce in a lifetime find for you.

 

[Wldbil]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Those are some GREAT finds... Hope to see more from you!!!

 

[shaun7]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

British Museum Man ,you don't fool around ! The ring is a stellar find , probably once in a lifetime ,unless you travel across the pond. You are fortunate , there was an old settlement south of my location that was a whaling village ,complete with a town hall ,numerous homes ,stores, a tavern etc. in the mid 1600's till 1790's . It was called, Portsmouth . Unfortunately, it is now under the Delaware Bay, a half mile off the beach . I search the area after storms but only found a 1740 KG. Great that you have such a historical area to play around in . Jersey still has its share of old stuff, but it takes much research . Speaking of research ,I think it may go back to the Jamestown early colonial days ,maybe Smitty's ring . CMDdawg

Probably a once in a lifetime find over here too!

Of course, there's many things not near as good that you'll only find once or not even at all. So saying it's once in a lifetime find is easily the truth, and it's probably a better than that indicates.

PS... And a Cartwheel is a nonce in a lifetime find for you.

And to think I resisted the urge to comment on Stefen's potato post

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Re: 1697 King William III Shilling & 1773 Virginia Halfpenny

I thought I was viewing a post by one of them there English people. I recently posted a comment on Americans never being lucky enough to find a posy ring, and then you show up. You made me, sniff, once again proud to be an American!
Carl

I wholeheartedly agree

 

[umrgolf]

Re: 1640 copper, 1666 silver, 1697 silver, 1773 copper, 1705-1712 Gold posy ring

Most respectable finds , all back to back . The ring is beyond, fantastic / coins , fantastic . Most can only dream of finds like these & can only be accomplished by hard work and effort , above and beyond the norm. Thanks for this thread & for being a friend J dawg

Thank you Dawg, emailed some photos of the ring to a British museum and so far after a few emails they believe the ring is 17th century and seem to be shocked at where it was recovered, so the 1705-1712 date is close but it might be a bit older (they are still researching though)

British Museum Man ,you don't fool around ! The ring is a stellar find , probably once in a lifetime ,unless you travel across the pond. You are fortunate , there was an old settlement south of my location that was a whaling village ,complete with a town hall ,numerous homes ,stores, a tavern etc. in the mid 1600's till 1790's . It was called, Portsmouth . Unfortunately, it is now under the Delaware Bay, a half mile off the beach . I search the area after storms but only found a 1740 KG. Great that you have such a historical area to play around in . Jersey still has its share of old stuff, but it takes much research . Speaking of research ,I think it may go back to the Jamestown early colonial days ,maybe Smitty's ring . CMDdawg

Probably a once in a lifetime find over here too!

Thank you Shaun.. I'm told by the director of antiquities, this is indeed the find of a lifetime.. As far as the date, two people in the department agreed roughly 1680-1710 . Was 95% sure it was colonial before, just wanted to see what they thought