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  1. #31
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    I am honored by having found something worthy of the Banner.

    I was kind of wondering why someone would go to all that trouble for a nickle.

    Hadn't heard the stuff about plated V nickels being passed as gold $5. That makes a little more sense about why someone would take the time to make a mold.

    I just hope the other half is lurking in that field. Going back next week and Buck is bringing his big coil to see if we can get some more depth in the area.


  2. #32

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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Congrats on the banner!!! You had a great day. I am curious about how they would have used a lead mould? Wouldn't molten silver melt or quickly deteriorate the detail? I'm not in any way doubting your find... I'm just a wondering?

    Thanks for sharing with us... It's great to see some new finds on the banner.
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  3. #33
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenosha Kid
    Quote Originally Posted by DigginThePast
    I'm having trouble making out what you are describing but I'll take your word for it regarding the details.

    You mention the "V" or Liberty Nickel. Don't forget that for that issue in the first year the word Cents was not on the reverse for part of the run. Many 1883 "V" Nickels were plated and passed as $5 Gold pieces. Your mold could actually be part of a process for making counterfeit $5 gold pieces. Pretty neat!
    Good point. Why would you counterfeit a nickel to be just a nickle and not have another reason to do so? If the penalty for Grand Theft is the same for stealing a Yugo, as it is a Ferrari, why steal the Yugo?

    http://www.onlineauction.com/index.p...ion_id=1256894

    Yeah, we can tell the difference nowaday; however, if you'd heard of, but never saw a $5.00 gold piece back then ... it could have been easy to have been had.

    Well, whatever coin the mold was for ... great find !
    It is very possible that it was used for nickels, and not for the $5 gold plated 5 cent piece. Counterfeiting nickels and five cent pieces was fairly common. The nickel would have been easier to pass on as real. Trying to pass a dime or larger denomonation coin would be more likely to be scrutinized. Silver would have been more likely to get noticed.

    A simple search of the NY times archives turns up numerous examples from the 1870s and 1880s and of course the famous FL Henning case of 1955 :
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  4. #34
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    awesome relic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! MR TUFF
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  5. #35
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Wow, Great variety of finds. Awesome mold.
    Keep Swinging...

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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Neil in West Jersey - Great articles.

    How great would it be to turn up a counterfeit piece at that site, one that would match this mold? I'd pound it to try anyway.

  7. #37
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    nice find

    You mention the "V" or Liberty Nickel. Don't forget that for that issue in the first year the word Cents was not on the reverse for part of the run. Many 1883 "V" Nickels were plated and passed as $5 Gold pieces. Your mold could actually be part of a process for making counterfeit $5 gold pieces. Pretty neat!
    The counterfeiters used the V nickle because the coin didnt have the word CENTS on it and the gold piece looked the same.

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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    That is one great find. Congrats on making the banner you certainly deserve it,

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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Quote Originally Posted by DigginThePast
    I'm having trouble making out what you are describing but I'll take your word for it regarding the details.

    You mention the "V" or Liberty Nickel. Don't forget that for that issue in the first year the word Cents was not on the reverse for part of the run. Many 1883 "V" Nickels were plated and passed as $5 Gold pieces. Your mold could actually be part of a process for making counterfeit $5 gold pieces. Pretty neat!
    Congrats On your unique Find & Banner
    Agreed here, this would allow you to make your coins just the right weight.
    and a much better return than nickels
    love finding Counterfeit coins!
    Am amazed at the faith of some cashiers in 'the Pen'
    I broke a Cnote the other day, cashier didn't even look at the bill, just swiped it with the pen & boxed it!

    Desire is oft more pleasant than acquisition

  10. #40
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Congrats on the Banner. What a fascinating peice of history.

  11. #41
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Sweet finds....love the mold! You can call it criminal, shady, or whatever, but it's still a piece of U.S. numismatic history...and a major headache for the U.S. Mint way back then!

    Larry G.
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Congratulations on making the banner...a truly unique find.

    I am perplexed by one thing however, this is a lead mold to cast counterfeit nickels...nickel's melting point is 2651 degrees F...lead melts at 621 degrees F...was this just a really ill conceived idea?

    HH
    CD

  13. #43
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    It looks like it was blasted with a rifle shot. Nice banner find!
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  14. #44
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    that is a spectacular find, and i think instead of being called a mold i think they are more commonly called a die a (coin die) instead of a coin mold because dies make copy's of things by putting extreme pressure on a disk between two dies at room temperature and molds use molten metals to pour into a mold. i hope this is helpful in your research

  15. #45
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    Re: A very unique find, to me anyway!

    Fantastic finds!!!
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