ANOTHER FIND-OF-A-LIFETIME: RARE New Orleans Token, BIG SILVER & FOUR MORE silvers!

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ANOTHER FIND-OF-A-LIFETIME: RARE New Orleans Token, BIG SILVER & FOUR MORE silvers!

Hello All,

This will be a weekend that I can never forget. I dug something really good today--something that easily beats my earlier banner find from spring! UPDATE BELOW!



Here is how the day went down:

Early in the morning I got out in the muddy soupy nasty fields with Shanegalang and we decided to go and try to scout out a new site. Walked out in that messy soup and the first thing I dug was a silver half dollar! Now I've dug a couple of Walkers in the fields, and one Franklin (all farmer drops), and I've been lucky enough to dig a couple of Seated Halves too. But it turned out that this one was a Barber Half. I was really thrilled because the last Barber Half I dug was back in 1993!! This one is an 1895-O.

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For all you Yankees, here is a picture of a Crawfish High-Rise. 8-)

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We started exploiting a nice sized iron patch, and I walked way out of the iron just to be certain and turned back around. No sooner than I did and I got an 83 reading on the F75. It was a silver quarter! :headbang: Praying for a Seated but it was a Washington. 1942.

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We kept hitting the field, digging a good many targets--just not many GOOD targets. I got a wheat. He got a handle from a silver spoon, then I dug the bowl which I gave to him. I got an 1888 Indian and some parasol clips. So we migrated to another site that would be much more dry due to elevated rows instead of muddy flat swamp. We'd worn ourselves out from four hours slogging through the mud! On the second site, we started digging some flat buttons right away. Then I managed to get a couple spur pieces (strap box, neck, side, and half of the piece where the rowel went). Feeling pleased, I noticed two eyeball finds in a row. The first was a green trade bead and the second was a sword hanger, both laying right on top of the ground.

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When I rounded the next row I got a signal that could either be a copper pack rivet or a half dime. Opening up the hole, a tiny silver stared back at me! It was an 1842 Quarter Franc!! My buddy dug one of these earlier in the spring on a different site, and I was STOKED to get one for my collection! :thumbsup:

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I also dug a flat piece of nondescript silver. No clue what that's from, but it will go in the collection.

At that point, Shangalang decided to takes his XP Deus and head home. He was worn out, and I was too--but I just couldn't leave. Within an hour, I heard a beep and instinctively stuck my shovel in the ground. When I looked down, I realized that there was a half dime sitting right on top! 1857 Seated Half Dime! That was silver #4 for the day!

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At that point, I decided that I would take breaks as needed and just hunt until dark. Quite a long day, when we were out there at first light!

Here is a photo of the finds up to that point in the hunt:

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I got into an interesting area where there were some great signs of habitation, and I dug a large cent sized disc. It only read 60 on the F75 so I knew it wasn't a copper. Thinking it might be a token, I put it in my pouch to inspect at home.

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I dug a thimble or two, a couple flat buttons and eyeballed some bone buttons and shards of nice china. Targets were really thin. Then I got a screamer signal which locked right in at 82 on the F75. I just knew it had to be a silver quarter. And--it was! Silver #5!! That put the silver total at $1.10 face value in old silver in one day! :hello2:

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At that point, the light started fading, and seeing as how I'd dug so many great finds--including the mystery of the brass token which I was curious to investigate, I headed home.

Well...when I got home, and started carefully cleaning the brass disc, immediately a date of 1834 came into view!!! Turns out the token is a Hard Times Token from New Orleans, advertising the store of J. Hall Walker & Walton, listed as Ruhlau HT-121!!!

Judging from the auction listings, this token is one of my best finds ever. Only four of these tokens have come to auction in the last 100 years. Here is a link to a Stacks auction heading where the finest known example of those four brought over $40,000.00.

Stack's : Louisiana. New Orleans. J. Hall Walker & Walton. 1834. Low-85, Rulau HT-121. (AN86415399)

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Here is the auction listing from the "barely legible" example of the four--which still sold for over $8,000.00!! :headbang:

Stack's : Louisiana. New Orleans. J. Hall Walker & Walton. 1834. Low-85, Rulau HT-121. (AN69131209)

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UPDATE: I just heard back from John K that this find is worth in the $5,000.00 range!

So although I think that the word "Rare" is overly used and abused on treasure hunting forums, it appears that in this case the word applies! When I dug my second counterstamped Planter's Bank silver coin here, I thought that I'd dug two finds-of-a-lifetime, in one lifetime! Well, I hope that the luck/hard work/effort keeps going, because I am happy to roll with it!

Here are photos of all the silver coin finds:

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And here are photos of the token I dug, as well as a non-dug example from online:

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Best Wishes and HH,


Buck
 

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Holey moley what a hunt! The value of the token astonishes me, but considering the rarity and truly fascinating array of goods advertised (millstones and pistols advertised on the same token, lol) I guess I've gotta believe it. The silvers are good as always, and the trade bead was a very nice eyeball find. Great work!

Thanks for the reply! Happy Hunting,

Buck
 

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Wow! Very nice finds. It's always a good day when silver pops out, but a GREAT day when you rescue something historic. BANNER all day in my book! Thanks for sharing! May your streak continue!

The history is what it's about. There was a musket butt plate recovered too, and it is fascinating to think that the weapon could've been purchased in J. Hall's shop! Wouldn't you give anything to be able to poke around and purchase a couple items that were sold in that store? I can't even imagine a place that would've sold that many varied items. Like the Ben Franklin store of the early 19th century!
 

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Hey Buck!! CONGRATS to the two of you!! Really Nice Funds!! Be careful around the Quick Mud or we will only find two hats on the topsoil!! Anyway, GOOD LUCK and GOOD HUNTING!! VERDE!!
 

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Congrats Will! You had a day you will never forget! Silvers you don't get often and the token is absolute killer! You're lucky to know your stuff, how many had it just thrown in the trash bin.... Banner find for rarity for sure!
 

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Hey Buck!! CONGRATS to the two of you!! Really Nice Funds!! Be careful around the Quick Mud or we will only find two hats on the topsoil!! Anyway, GOOD LUCK and GOOD HUNTING!! VERDE!!

You aren't kidding! That's what I call "sucking mud." Stand in one place staring at a find long enough and you start to sink down to your knees!
 

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Congrats Will! You had a day you will never forget! Silvers you don't get often and the token is absolute killer! You're lucky to know your stuff, how many had it just thrown in the trash bin.... Banner find for rarity for sure!

I would imagine that there is a token like this in a detectorist's junk box or two. It's the stuff that is really rare which we 1. have never seen before and 2. are most likely to fail to identify.

Cheers,

Buck
 

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Nice when John K gives you news like that. I respect the hell out of that man. Buck it's a real testament to your tenacity that you've dug so many extremely rare and valuable finds. I don't want to sound stupid here but do you ever feel like you were destined to find certain items? Bill D and I have had that conversation. I just feel like some of us are meant to do this and meant to recover certain items because we respect them and will do right by them. A guy just included me in a book that he's wroting and the premise is that 10% of us find 90% of the really good stuff. I happen to agree with that thinking and he basically interviewed a few of us that have done well to try to find the common denominator that makes us successful. Should be an interesting read. Anyway buddy I'm super happy for you man. You put in the time and do it right. These special finds are your reward brother. I guess I know what your next article will be about 8-). I really enjoyed the one that I just read. Well done my friend
 

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I love all that silver and the token is awesome. I think it should be on banner.
 

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So amazing the beautiful relics and silver you two are recovering! A BIG congrats on that token! Wonderful find!
Nana :hello:
 

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Nice when John K gives you news like that. I respect the hell out of that man. Buck it's a real testament to your tenacity that you've dug so many extremely rare and valuable finds. I don't want to sound stupid here but do you ever feel like you were destined to find certain items? Bill D and I have had that conversation. I just feel like some of us are meant to do this and meant to recover certain items because we respect them and will do right by them. A guy just included me in a book that he's writing and the premise is that 10% of us find 90% of the really good stuff. I happen to agree with that thinking and he basically interviewed a few of us that have done well to try to find the common denominator that makes us successful. Should be an interesting read. Anyway buddy I'm super happy for you man. You put in the time and do it right. These special finds are your reward brother. I guess I know what your next article will be about 8-). I really enjoyed the one that I just read. Well done my friend

I think you're onto something. Truth is, the really successful ones of us enjoy the heck out of it, are seldom frustrated, happy to be doing a hobby we love. We enjoy history and friendship, and can take joy in a find, even if we didn't dig it ourselves. We love research and reading books almost as much as we like to dig a hole in the dirt. We are people persons, happy to meet owners and we enjoy the art of keeping good relationships with those whose land we detect on. I'm convinced that it takes all of that, and more, to be successful. In this hobby, as in any profession, it's not a question of whether or not you can win one big game, make one really good find, or do something truly amazing...it's all a question of being able to maintain that level. And that's much, much harder to do consistently over time. That said, I do feel like I was destined to make certain finds--or more accurately for them to find me. I am always astonished by what I'm digging down here. So if all of this--the digging, the finds, the time spent, and the conversation we're having now...if all of this is a sweet dream, then for goodness sake don't wake me up!

Cheers,

Buck
 

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I love all that silver and the token is awesome. I think it should be on banner.

Thanks for your vote, Dman! GREAT to hear from you--and hoping that you and Q come down for a dig this upcoming year!
 

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So amazing the beautiful relics and silver you two are recovering! A BIG congrats on that token! Wonderful find!
Nana :hello:

Thanks, Nana! Hope all is going well for you. You had some good finds yourself this year!
 

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That token is too cool! Love all the silver as well. Congrats
 

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I am getting tired of burying good things for you to find. Sooner or later I am going to have to claim some of these finds for myself..........:) Congrats on another great recovery! Banner!!
 

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Hard to part with my recoveries unless I am one day desperate for funds, which I hope never happens. So it looks like I am always renting more safe deposit boxes!

I know the feeling! Enjoyed your vid and congrats on a find that defies adjectives!
 

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You have been on a tare sir. I wonder if its lady luck. Congrats on your very rare token and the other goodies, very sweet indeed. Like to also thank you for the great read. Your article brought back many memories of my bottle digging mentor and my childhood, bravo. Art
 

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