1652 cut tree coin and a Louis XIV 4 Sols

[toasted]

Still in shock after tonights hunt. I knew this was a great spot but a little .5 gram piece of tree coin with the tree and the date and what I believe to be Louis XIV 4 sols from the 1670s Lyon mint. Any help appreciated with more information on either coin. I will try and clean up the 4 sols better but it is very brittle and thin at .9 grams. Two 17th century silvers in one night and neither are Spanish. A day I wont soon forget

 

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[Carolina Tom]

Big congrats. That’s about as good as it gets, two 1600s silver coins. Wow.

 

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[Jeff H]

Toasted you are rockin' it with finds lately. That cut pine tree is beyond awesome. If that's not Banner worthy, then I don't know what is. Oh yeah....let's not completely ignore the 4 sols. Great find there too. You are into to some of the earliest colonial stuff that can be found.

 

[Gridwalker306]

I would be over the moon with those silvers, and I’m sure you must be! Congrats man that’s a double whammy of a spectacular day.

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Absolutely a fantastic hunt!

I am voting Banner for the two incredible coins!

 

[toasted]

Thanks for the comments everyone. I am beyond ecstatic over these finds. So much so that I found a Barber on another beach today and it felt like finding clad lol. Thanks for the banner votes too though not sure how thats going to work with two threads on the find. I was just so excited when I first found it that I had to post it right away. Found the 4 sols immediately afterward

 

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[Silver Tree Chaser]

I was with my brother in law when he dug a beautiful holed 4 sols from 1675. I've never found one personally. Only French silver I have is a cut silver 6 or 12 sols from the Windward Islands. You have a really incredible site on your hands. I might have 3 or 4 sites like that in total. And thats over 28 years of detecting. They dont come around often.

Ditto on the difficulty of finding those 17th century sites - even if you've been searching for many years. I only have several such sites that produced multiple finds.

 

[Silver Tree Chaser]

I use Tapatalk for Tnet and cannot vote BANNER but I would definitely vote BANNER on something like this. A cut pine has to be more rare then a whole. Has Tnet ever seen a cut pine?

Figured it out!! I voted BANNER.

Here's a cut Oak Tree shilling I posted on TNet back in 2013 or so.



There's been a few cut Mass Silver coins posted on TNet that I recall. By the way, this cut Oak Tree is a Noe-1. The first of 14 varieties. That's very close in the series (one away) from the Willow Tree series - that's what you want to find - Willow Tree or New England variety - Ultra Rare!

 

[Truth]

Here's a cut Oak Tree shilling I posted on TNet back in 2013 or so.

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There's been a few cut Mass Silver coins posted on TNet that I recall. By the way, this cut Oak Tree is a Noe-1. The first of 14 varieties. That's very close in the series (one away) from the Willow Tree series - that's what you want to find - Willow Tree or New England variety - Ultra Rare!

Thanks for the education STC. So is it more common to find any tree coin while or cut. Although very rare to find any tree coin period I was assuming more whole coins are found than cut due to size?

 

[A2coins]

amazing

 

[Silver Tree Chaser]

Thanks for the education STC. So is it more common to find any tree coin while or cut. Although very rare to find any tree coin period I was assuming more whole coins are found than cut due to size?

Thankfully, it's more common to find whole coins at least up in New England. I believe the cut coins are more frequently encountered down in Virginia - Spanish pistareens. Other members can speak to that better than I. My last Mass Silver was a holed two-pence from last year. Then there's the cut shilling. They're awesome finds but still a bit bittersweet.

 

[toasted]

Thankfully, it's more common to find whole coins at least up in New England. I believe the cut coins are more frequently encountered down in Virginia - Spanish pistareens. Other members can speak to that better than I. My last Mass Silver was a holed two-pence from last year. Then there's the cut shilling. They're awesome finds but still a bit bittersweet.

Bittersweet is not an emotion Im experiencing at all. Probably 99.9% of detectorists will never get their coil over one, cut or whole

 

[Silver Tree Chaser]

Toasted - Understood! Mass Silver with the minting of the New England type coinage in 1652 were the very first silver coins minted in North America. So congrats to you! Recovering such a coin down your way is an impressive feat. I hope you pound that site good and have more discoveries to post in the near future.

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Sweet historic recoveries! Love those incredibly rare and old silvers!

 

[oxbowbarefoot]

Thanks. Definately in my top three favorite finds. I wonder how often cut Massachusetts silver is found compared to whole coins. I would love to know why this one was cut down so small. It rang up in the pull tab range too

Very few cut tree coin specimens are found compared to whole coins. I know of perhaps a dozen examples. My first Mass silver was a cut Pine Tree Shilling. A week later I dug a complete Oak Tree Shilling. I followed that up with a Pine Tree Threepence (uncut).

 

[Ahab8]

Thankfully, it's more common to find whole coins at least up in New England. I believe the cut coins are more frequently encountered down in Virginia - Spanish pistareens. Other members can speak to that better than I. My last Mass Silver was a holed two-pence from last year. Then there's the cut shilling. They're awesome finds but still a bit bittersweet.

You know you’ve found too many Mass silvers when you feel a bit of disappointment at pulling a cut piece lol. I’m just playing bud. I understand exactly what you’re saying. It’s just mind blowing that Toasted found a piece that small with a date. I knew with that little piece it could be id’d fairly easily. Man I’d lose my mind if I found a Willow tree. Straight up heart attack if a NE popped out.

 

[Rubka888]

This is so cool. What a spot you have there! I really like that you got the part of the coin with the tree and the date. It is a weird shape to be cut. I wonder the story behind it? Oh and banner!

 

[toasted]

Very few cut tree coin specimens are found compared to whole coins. I know of perhaps a dozen examples. My first Mass silver was a cut Pine Tree Shilling. A week later I dug a complete Oak Tree Shilling. I followed that up with a Pine Tree Threepence (uncut).
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I didnt know any cut silver was found in New England because I dont even see cut Pistareens come out of New England much if at all. Perhaps there was an influx of small copper change in New England by the time of the Pistareen but not when Mass silver circulated. I get a little bit of both here in Marland. Closer to equal amounts of copper small change and silvers( more coppers obviously) while further south it is nearly all silver, mostly cut

 

[Donnie B from VA]

Congratulations! I'm sure you are still on Cloud Nine! I will always vote Banner on a Tree Coin!

 

[UnderMiner]

Holy historic finds Batman! That pine tree fragment with the date is amazing! The Cromwell government was not too fond of these pesky American colonists making these coins.