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    The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    I am a newbie here so please don't crucify me if you don't believe this story.

    The only reason I am writing this and posting it is that I hope that someone will take this seriously and search for it. There will be those that will immediately discount this tale and cry hoax but I assure you that the source of information is of the highest form. The information does not come from a friend of a friend of someones cousin but from someone who visited the site.

    I cannot give you the name of the source as we last parted on bad terms but her integrity and honesty are of the highest form for she was the Great Honored Woman of the Cherokee and Creek Nations.

    The story begins with her great grandfather Jim Bullet a survivor of the Trail of Tears. When he reached the new Indian Territory he claimed some land near what is now Muskogee Oklahoma. He took the daughter of White Tobacco Sam (her name was Big Lucy) the medicine man as his wife and they built a cabin and soon a baby girl was born to them.

    White Tobacco Sam had trained Jim Bullet as a medicine man and when Jim chose his land he chose the plot across the road from the ancient burial ground as he thought it his duty to look after the grounds. Jim Bullet is now buried in this same cemetery and I have seen his gravestone myself.

    The cabin of Jim and Big Lucy was directly across the dirt road from the burial grounds and one day while Jim was in town running errands Lucy was washing clothes on a table on the side of the cabin. She had left the baby on a pallet of wood beside the front door of the cabin as was her usual habit for it was in the shade and cooler for the child. As she came around the corner of the cabin toward the front door she saw a large creature covered in brownish red hair leaning over her daughter. She immediately grabbed a piece of wood and attacked the creature trying to scare it off but the creature grabbed the baby and ran across the road.

    Jim Bullet just happened to be riding down the road towards the cabin and saw the creature running away from the cabin and hearing his wife's cries gave chase through the burial grounds towards Saddleback Mountain. He lost sight of the creature but followed by tracking as best he could till they came to the base of the mountain where he lost the trail. He immediately galloped back into town and sounded the alarm and a posse was raised. They searched the whole area of the mountain and around it for three days and found nothing and finally gave up the search.

    Jim Bullet though could not give up the search and every spare minute he had for years after he examined every square inch of the mountain and it is here that the story really begins for during his search he came across a cave and deep in the cave he found a man made wooden door and behind it all sorts of wonders.

    The Great Honored Woman heard these stories passed down from her elders about a cave with the man made door and one day when she was in her late teens she decided to find this cave. She spent many days and weeks combing the mountain and finally came across the cave high on a cliff that was very difficult to attain.

    In her words to me the cave had several rooms filled with rifles, swords, ammunition, food and uniforms. She never said what kind of uniforms just that they were military uniforms. There was one thing that amazed her and that was a cannon or artillery field piece. She could not figure out how it had gotten there for it must have been a very strenuous job for anyone to have gotten this thing halfway up a sheer cliff.

    She took a single sword as proof that she had found the cache and returned home with it. Her father was extremely upset that she had removed the sword and ordered her to take it back which she did and never returned to the cave after that.

    The cave is said to be on the eastern side of Saddleback Mountain and not noticeable until you are right on top of it. The cave can only be reached with the use of ropes and climbing skills and the area is supposed to be crawling with rattlesnakes.

    Neither I nor the Great Honored Woman are of an age or physical condition to go find this place again but from what she has told me the cave is worth finding.

    I don't care who believes this story or not I just wish to relay it for those who wish to seek it.

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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    Dear Merlyn555;
    What's not to believe, my friend?
    Your friend;
    LAMAR

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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    I'm about 40 miles from Muskogee and my best friend lives there and has for nearly 50 years. I'll check with him and see if he has ever heard of anything like that. He is of Cherokee Indian stock and would have heard something I think. Monty
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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    Thank you very much for sharing this story...I found it very interesting, especially combined with the information that is slowly being brought to the surface....Steve

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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    Thanks for the support guys, I know it is a rather fanciful story and bears a resemblance to other hidden treasure stories but I assure you that everything I have stated is as told to me by the Great Honored Woman.

    I have been able to assertain through research of gov't documents that White Tobacco Sam, Jim Bullet and Big Lucy were actual people and did reside in the area of Muskogee OK in the latter part of the 19th century.

    As I stated in the original post I have been to the site of Jim Bullets cabin and his grave and can verify that from that location you can clearly see Saddleback Mountain. I do not know if this is the real name of the place but it is the name that it was referred to by everyone I asked about it.

    As for the story of a hairy creature stealing the baby I can only say that I have read one account of it but for the life of me can not remember where it was located. It does though bear a striking resemblance to the native stories of the Deer People rumored to have lived in the area.

    My research continues in this area and I will post more if I come across anything new.


    Merlyn
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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    Those names mentioned sound like they are all Indians or related to Indians. The Indians have many legends they are not apt to share with "white eyes" as the oaters call them. I have been told of medicine men and shamans who could change into wolves, big cats, eagles or other animals under certain circumstances. That could account for the stories of the kidnapping of the child. There are many legends passed on among the Indian tribes that have endured for hundreds of years. Many of them have died with the tribe elders as the young ones have adapted to the "normal" life styles and the legends and stories have been lost over time. Who is to say or judge at the truthfulness of such tales? No one can say for sure, but I'm sure there had to be some stimulus to bring those stories to life. Surely there was much truth and behind many of them. The tale under scrutiny at present seems to be more contemporary, but maybe it is the retelling of an older legend? I'm sure the truth is in there somewhere if it can only be deciphered and understood by the present. So, don't be quick to discount Indian lore and legend because you just might be surprised! Monty
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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    Great story Merlyn. I did a google search around Muskogee and I can't find any mountains. Its all flat land. Can you give me a more specific location? How about the cemetary? If I want to go visit the cemetary, exactly where would I find it?

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    Hello Salvor6, I am sorry to say that I can not remember the name of the road on which the cemetry is located but it is just south east of the city on a dirt road but not far off a main highway.

    The grave site is off the road and well hidden by trees and undergrowth on the westernside of the road. It is a private family graveyard that is attached to ancient Indian burial grounds. You might be able to locate it by visiting one of the local band offices.

    I assure you that the area around Muskogee is not that flat. There are gentle rolling hills and several large protrusions that the locals call mountains. I will try and mapquest the area and get a better description for you.

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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    This is a fascinating read, and sure sounds authentic enough.
    One thing I'm curious about...when the woman went searching for the cave did she take all the climbing gear, ropes, etc to ascend a sheer cliff to get into the cave. Was this able to be accomplished by a single person, with no help from others?
    I sincerely hope the legend is true.

    BW
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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    That's a very good question Bravowhiskey and one I must say I never thought of asking.

    Knowing this lady as i do though she is the curious kind who would have attempted the climb without aid and when she was unsuccessful she would have come back with the right equipment to do the job right. She is a very determined woman and very intelligent as well.

    I have reviewed several maps of the area and can now tell you that the graveyard is somewhere near the small hamlets of Summit or Oktaha. I did not know that we were going to the cemetry when we started out so did not pay much attention to directions. I can only tell you that it was on a lonely dirt road well away from other houses the closest being about 3/4 of a mile away and it was somewhere not far from highway 64 or 69 not sure which one it was.

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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    The area around Muskogee is not flat land. There may be some, but much of it is rolling hills and steep embankements and deep gullies. My hunting lease is only 23 miles from Muskogee and it sits at the bottom of a 930 ft. "mountain". Actually they are too steep and high to be hills but not tall enough to be mountains. Monty
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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    Oddly enough, just googled Oktaha, Ok and the northernmost street is named Cemetary rd.
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    Re: The Cave Near Muskogee OK

    I just checked out the google of Oktaha and by George you are right Whiskeybravo you might have something there. I followed the road east and there are several features on the road that seem to be familiar but this is only the gravesite we are discussing here. I remember standing in Summit and looking west and clearly seeing a "mountain" that was definitely in the shape of a saddle.

    I have done some more research and there is a Saddle Mountain in the Whitchita Mountains south and west of OK City but that is too far from the area to be the same one. This mountain is not far from the site of a Civil War battle the name of which I have totally forgotten.

    Now that I think about it this cache may have something to do with that battle as the contents of the cave are said to weapons ammuntion food and uniforms and the entrance to the cave is said to face the battlefield. Now wouldn't that be something to find!
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    There are a lot of references to "White Tobacco Sam" on the internet. This Google book mentions him quite a bit:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=3hK...%20Sam&f=false

    It also mentions Cherokee powers of changing into animal forms. I can't help but think that's not a coincidence. He is also mentioned in various locations as one of the Natchez "Sun's": http://www.dictionpedia.com/en/Natchez_people
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