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    Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin?



    That's a William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny or Farthing. A very good find! These usually don't survive very well in the ground.
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin?

    Picture.

    I don't recall ever seeing one of these posted from North America.



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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin?

    WoW .. That is cool .. Guess that explains its rough condition! Thanks very much!
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Amazing find
    Is this Banner worthy?

    I was going to ask about the odd square shape in the middle of the found coin and the examples from Iron Patch,
    but a quick google provided the information

    The first coinage of these joint Sovereigns was of tin with a square plug of copper, as in the preceding reign, under a commission dated 12th October, 1689, and granted to Charles Godolphin and others. On both the halfpenny and farthing the busts of the King and Queen are side by side, that of William foremost, both looking to the right; the King in armour, the Queen wearing a mantle. The dies were engraved by George Bowers until his death in February, 1690, and afterwards by Henry Harris, and James Roettier.

    http://tinyurl.com/2uh6bkn

    Mike
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Quote Originally Posted by trikikiwi
    Amazing find
    Is this Banner worthy?

    I was going to ask about the odd square shape in the middle of the found coin and the examples from Iron Patch,
    but a quick google provided the information

    The first coinage of these joint Sovereigns was of tin with a square plug of copper, as in the preceding reign, under a commission dated 12th October, 1689, and granted to Charles Godolphin and others. On both the halfpenny and farthing the busts of the King and Queen are side by side, that of William foremost, both looking to the right; the King in armour, the Queen wearing a mantle. The dies were engraved by George Bowers until his death in February, 1690, and afterwards by Henry Harris, and James Roettier.

    http://tinyurl.com/2uh6bkn

    Mike
    It was a vein attempt to give it some value, the copper plug meant it had value. As coinage was based on copper & silver contents but not on Tin

    This is a rare survivor, I only find the odd 1 every 5 years or so. They are even rare surviving normal air conditions, thats why they are so valuable & collectable in the condition IP showed. I only could afford low grade versions of these in my collection, as well as adding the odd find.
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Patch
    Picture.

    I don't recall ever seeing one of these posted from North America.
    Nor do I (north or south), must be the odd few but very rare at least. Although logically its the type of coinage we wouldn't be so bother about it leaving (hold on to the silver & copper). (so in some ways I would expect it to be more represented, but this is pure speculation on my part)
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Thanks for the info Crusader
    It sounds like this find in North America is such a rarity, it gets my Banner nomination.

    Mike
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    8)

    Cool find

    James11 was the first to introduce half penies with the copper plug, to counter forgery and at the same time to assist the ailing tin-mining industry.

    The corrosion properties of tin mean that very few coins survive in a good state of preservation, not helped by the electrochemical reaction between copper and tin. I think I might have one somewere in the box of coppers, but I bet your bottom dollar,only ideable by the plug

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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Neat find! And Good ID Makes me think of this old coin I found. I don't know what it was either.The obverese looks to have two headed bust and the reverse looks to have a person sitting and reaching out holding something. It was one of the first coins I found when I got started Mding from a early site.
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Quote Originally Posted by Timekiller
    Neat find! And Good ID Makes me think of this old coin I found. I don't know what it was either.The obverese looks to have two headed bust and the reverse looks to have a person sitting and reaching out holding something. It was one of the first coins I found when I got started Mding from a early site.
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    Funny you should post this, I was just about to reply to SS's post & say its not unusual to find them without the copper core
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Without a doubt the Tin Halfpenny is not a common find by any means. I checked my friend's Summer of 2005 article in "The C4 Newsletter" and in that article "Survey of Colonial Coins Recovered in Southern New Jersey, he has 1 Tin William and Mary listed that he found. I might add he has listed 4 William and Mary Halfpence, 1 William and Mary Farthing, 5 William III Farthings and 46 William III Halfpence all found by him locally.

    I have quite a few William coppers but no tin ones.

    Don
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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Quote Originally Posted by Don in SJ
    Without a doubt the Tin Halfpenny is not a common find by any means. I checked my friend's Summer of 2005 article in "The C4 Newsletter" and in that article "Survey of Colonial Coins Recovered in Southern New Jersey, he has 1 Tin William and Mary listed that he found. I might add he has listed 4 William and Mary Halfpence, 1 William and Mary Farthing, 5 William III Farthings and 46 William III Halfpence all found by him locally.

    I have quite a few William coppers but no tin ones.

    Don

    They are no doubt extremely hard to find, but I think most that are dug probably never get ID'ed properly being too bad to guess, or just thought of is a really poor holed copper coin. (and never posted with a close up picture) But considering how seldom the UK guys find them I doubt there's many being dug, period.


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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Quote Originally Posted by Timekiller
    Neat find! And Good ID Makes me think of this old coin I found. I don't know what it was either.The obverese looks to have two headed bust and the reverse looks to have a person sitting and reaching out holding something. It was one of the first coins I found when I got started Mding from a early site.
    Take Care,
    Pete,

    Hard to say for certain but I don't think so, just doesn't have the look, a little too round. If you search "Tin Halfpenny" through Google images you'll see almost all have some "Squareness" to the plug, or where the hole remains. If you can find some round ones then I would at least give it a chance. You definitely have the age of finds so it is possible. (I've never even dug a William and Mary copper here)

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    Re: Anybody want to venture a guess on this coin? William and Mary "Tin" Halfpenny

    Thanks to all who replied .. I appreciate the information very much. Just for curiosity sakes, does a coin in this condition have any value?
    I took it to a jeweler to see if they could clean it a bit for me, and was able to lift a little more detail out of it. On the front, the lettering and the busts are a bit more obvious, and some faint shadows of lettering around the perimeter on the back are now somewhat visible. I think it is too toasted to do anything else to it in hopes of lifting more detail.
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