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    Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Anybody know what it dates to? I am guessing that it's post war, but would like to know a date range. Thanks!
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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.


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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mackaydon
    Great! Thanks Don! I was told that there were two with the same backmark info, with the first being circa 1880, but couldn't find it in my book to verify it.
    I forgot about the site you linked. Thanks again.
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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Great find in great condition; congrats !!

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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    There are a lot of errors on that website, some of them have been corrected, and its very "in general".


    Creskol. Is the front a Great Seal? I have a Great Seal with a similar backmark but notice the dot and star. I also notice yours has 20th century fonts.
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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    My Great Seal button is most likely WWI. Because of the lack of serifs, I would conclude that your button is most likely post war WWI. I hope this helps.

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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    There are a lot of errors on that website, some of them have been corrected, and its very "in general".


    Creskol. Is the front a Great Seal? I have a Great Seal with a similar backmark but notice the dot and star. I also notice yours has 20th century fonts.
    It actually has the Maryland seal on it.
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  8. #8
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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Nice button.

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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    My Great Seal button is most likely WWI. Because of the lack of serifs, I would conclude that your button is most likely post war WWI. I hope this helps.
    I would agree with your conclusion .. Thanks!
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  10. #10
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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by creskol
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    My Great Seal button is most likely WWI. Because of the lack of serifs, I would conclude that your button is most likely post war WWI. I hope this helps.
    I would agree with your conclusion .. Thanks!
    I guess it could be WWI. They may have changed fonts during the war.

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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Creskol what does it say in your book for W.H. HORSTMANN & CO. * PHILA. PA. * ?

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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    BCH,
    The 383 jpg you posted is noted as "Horstmann after 1893" here: http://relicman.com/buttons/zBackmarkaaa.htm
    Don....

  13. #13
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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mackaydon
    BCH,
    The 383 jpg you posted is noted as "Horstmann after 1893" here: http://relicman.com/buttons/zBackmarkaaa.htm
    Don....
    OK thanks. Its a Great Seal button so it must be post 1902. Creskols has the modern fonts so it should be newer. Im going to save this link.

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    Re: Backmark Date .. I am not seeing this in my book.

    I have a WH Horstmann but its a post 1902 Great Seal button. I guess they used up old dies.

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  15. #15
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    Hello All! Just started on this thread.... I am searching for particular Great Seal buttons. Any help will be appreciated. Here is my list:

    B.B.Abrahams/Philadelphia
    S.Appel & Co. (coat size)
    E.A.Armstrong
    Bernhard & Schrag & Co. (coat size)
    Best & Co. NY
    Brooks Brothers (any type or size)
    Chapsal & Michaul/Paris
    Columbia Button Works/Rutherford NJ (with co. name spelled out)
    DeMoulin Bros. (coat size)
    James C. Doran & Sons/Providence R.I.
    Dusenbury & Schwab Inc./New York/229-4th Ave
    Fa Ne Di Lorenzo/Firenze
    Ford Uniform Co.
    Frateli Reanda/Roma
    Greenwood Co./Detroit Mich
    Jennens & Co. (gilt)
    D.Klein & Bros./Philadelphia
    Frank J. Krupp/Washington
    S&B Lederer Co./Providence R.I.
    Lewis MS Co. San Antonio
    W&S Lyon Co. NY
    W.S.Mangre & Co./San Fransico Calif
    McEnany & Scott NY Made in England
    SN Meyer/Washington
    Publix Theater Corp NY
    Reliable Mfg Co./Newark NJ
    Alfredo Roensch (applied device)
    Josh Starkey (listed in Johnson's book)
    State Arsenal/Harrisburg PA
    T.W.&W./Paris
    Tiffany & Co. (any type or size)
    Travis Merchantile Co./San Antonio Tx
    Unif Acc Co. (Uniform Accessory Co.)
    Walcott Mfg. Co Providence R.I.
    Wender & Glodstein Brooklyn NY
    J.H.Wilson/Philadelphia

 

 
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