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  1. #1
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    Need Firmin & Sons Button ID

    Just got back from a former British Island where I got a chance to do a bit of detecting. One spot yielded some interesting relics including this Firmin & Sons 2-piece hollow button with loop back. Unfortunately the button is not intact, but I have most of the pieces. It depicts 8 sets of rays emanating from a number "15" in the center. The button is approx 1" x 1". I am still cleaning it in hot hydrogen peroxide. But this is what I have so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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  2. #2
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    Looks like a 15th reg. of foot button.Can't tell to well is it like the one in the pic. below?


    1824
    1839
    1853
    1850ís-1875

    Firmin & Sons

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    Pete,
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  3. #3
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    Hi Pete! I believe it is either identical or very close to the button you have there in the center! The decoration between the sets of rays looks almost like an elongated telephone handset from the phones we used in the 70's (but of course it's not!). Can you please tell me what personnel wore these buttons and when? If American CW, odd that I would have found it where I did, unless it was Confederate then it might make some sense as this island was used against the Union. Thanks so much for your post!

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    I see (thanks for Google) that it's a British regiment. And they were sent to this island according to the Wiki article in the mid 1800s!

    West Yorkshire Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It seems this regiment has quite a long history. My button is quite corroded and damaged, but still an incredible find for me! The "15" appears to be on a raised dome. Any idea of the rarity of this button?

    Thanks for any info, Erik

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    This seems to be similar to what you are describing: 15TH REGIMENT OF FOOT( YORK EAST RIDING) | eBay
    Don.......

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    Date(s)
    Name Address Related Information
    1677
    Company established in London this year by Thomas Firming (sic).
    Address: Three Kings’ Court
    1763-1768 Samuel Firmin Opposite New Church
    1769-1782
    1771
    1770’s – early 1790’s
    Samuel Firmin Near Somerset House
    1770s – early 1790’s S F Near Somerset House
    1771-1780 S Firmin Strand
    1783-1796
    1875
    Firmin & Sons 153 Strand Livery buttons (c. early-mid 19th C)
    1793 Samuel Firmin 153 Strand
    1793-1796 Samuel Firmin Strand London
    1794-1812 Firmin & Westall 153 Strand London
    1794-1812
    1797-1799
    1797-1811
    Firmin & Westall .
    1800
    c.1800-1811
    Firmin & Co
    Early 19th C Firmin & Co London Plain gilt buttons
    1811-1821
    1815-1823
    Firmin & Langdale
    1812
    1812-1814
    Philip Firmin
    1815-1821 Firmin & Langdale 153 Strand &
    10 Clare Court
    1822-1828 Firmin & Sons 153 Strand &
    10 Clare Court
    1824
    1839
    1853
    1850’s-1875
    Firmin & Sons
    c.1825 Firmin Strand London
    1826 Robert Firmin 153 Strand & Clare Court, Drury Lane
    1826 Robert Firmin
    1829-1834 P & R Firmin 153 Strand & White Horse Yard
    1835-1837 P R & S Firmin 153 Strand & White Horse Yard
    1837 P & S Firmin
    P & S Firmin 153 Strand London
    1838 Firmin & King
    1838 Firmin & King 153 Strand &13 Conduit St
    1839 Samuel Firmin & Sons 153 Strand & White Horse Yard
    1839 Firmin & Sons 153 Strand & White Horse Yard, Drury Lane
    1839-1849 Philip & Samuel Firmin 153 Strand &
    13 Conduit St
    1841 Philip & Samuel Firmin
    1850-1854 Philip Firmin & Sons 153 Strand &13 Conduit St
    1852-1875
    Firmin & Sons 153 Strand London
    & 13 Conduit St
    Types include American Civil War buttons
    Firmin & Sons 13 Conduit St London
    1855 P V Firmin & Sons 153 Strand & 13 Conduit St
    Mid 19th C
    Late 19th C
    Firmin & Sons London Two-hole buttons
    1856-1860 Firmin & Sons 153 Strand & 13 Conduit St Livery buttons
    1861-1863 Firmin & Sons 153-154 Strand &
    13 Conduit Street
    1864-1879 Firmin & Sons 153-155 Strand &
    13 Conduit Street
    1875 Firmin & Sons 153 Strand London
    1875

    Firm became a Ltd company and occupied these addresses:
    153 Strand &
    13 Conduit Street &
    12 White Horse Yard &
    20 Stanhope Street, Clare Market
    1876-1894 Firmin & Sons Ld 153 Strand London Livery buttons
    1876-1894 Firmin & Sons Ld 135 Strand London Error in address: 135 for 153
    1879-1904 Firmins 47 Warwick Street W London
    c.1880-1904 Firmin & Sons Ld 47 Warwick St, Regent St London Livery buttons
    1880-1894 Firmin & Sons Ld 153 Strand & 47 Warwick St London
    1880-1894 Firmin & Sons Ltd 153-155 Strand &
    47 Warwick Street
    Firmin & Sons Ld 155 Strand, London Livery buttons
    1882- Firmin London & Birmingham
    1882- Firmin’s London & B’ham
    1882- Firmin Ltd London & Birmingham
    1882- Firmin & Sons Ld Birmingham
    1882- Firmin & Sons Ld Halesowen
    1884- Firmin & Sons Ltd London Patent 2346
    1894 Company moved from Strand to 108 & 109 St Martins Lane
    After 1894
    Company opened in Globe Works, Hockley, Birmingham, 6 Warwick Street
    1895-1904 Firmin & Sons 108-109 St Martins Lane & 47 Warwick Street
    1895-1915 Firmin & Sons Ld St Martins Lane London
    1895-1915 Firmin & Sons Ld 108 St Martins Lane, London
    Early 20th C Firmin & Sons Ld London
    Early 20th C Firmin & Sons Ltd London
    1905-1915 Firmin & Sons Ltd 108-109 St Martins Lane &
    6 Warwick Street
    Firmin & Sons Ltd 6 Warwick St.
    Regent St London
    1915
    Company moved to Cork Street, which became head office and sole London address
    1916-1968 Firmin & Sons Ltd 8 Cork Street
    20th C Firmins Ltd London
    Mid 20th C Firmin London
    Mid 20th C Firmin England
    1968 81 Ford Road became head office in London
    1971 Birmingham factory moved from Globe Works to New Town Row
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  7. #7
    1852-1875 seems most likely. This manufacturer is one of the most prolific makers in the UK.
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  8. #8
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    Thanks Pete, Don, & Crusader. I will mark it as solved. Nice work and thanks for the super fast id!!

    Best, Erik

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    I was considering having this button "repaired" (if that is possible) as I have the other pieces. Can anyone please tell me approximately how rare (or not rare) this button is. I was found on a former British island where according to accounts this regiment was sent. Also, I don't have any books on British military buttons--can anyone recommend any good ones? Thanks for any input.

  10. #10
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    As Don correctly posted (thanks Don!) the regiment is designated "York, East Riding"....can anyone she some light on how they get these designations? Were they from York, England? What does East Riding mean? Thanks for any info!


    15th (York, East Riding) Regiment of Foot Soldiers' documents
    Formed in 1685 and designated as the 15th in 1751.The regiment arrived in Halifax on April 15th, 1758 and took part in the siege and capture of Louisburg that June at a strength of 859 . From Louisburg it went to Quebec with Wolfe, It fought in the great battle on the heights of Abraham, and after Wolfe's fall served at the defence of Quebec, and with the force sent against Montreal under General Murray, which completed the conquest of the Canada's. Next, it was at the capture of Martinique, and it the siege and conquest of the Havana in 1762, and was quartered for eleven months in Cuba, thence proceeding to New York, and afterwards back to Canada, where it served many years.
    In 1776 the Fifteenth, then at home, went out to Charleston in 1776, and made the American Campaigns of 1776-8 under Howe and Clinton. In the November 1778 it went to the West Indies. In 1827 the Fifteenth went to Canada, and served there until 1840, a period embracing the political riots at Quebec and Montreal in 1832 (suffering heavily in the visitation of Asiatic cholera), as well as the insurrection in Lower Canada in 1837-8. The first battalion was sent out to North America at the time of the Trent difficulty in 1861. It served there and in Bermuda until 1870, when it returned home.

 

 

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