Copper Rivet thing?

[1badtacoma]

Anyone know what this is? I looks like copper, possibly brass. Also looks like a clover on it. Maybe some kind of rivet?

[cwdigger]

Yarn Spool

[dragon6banger]

if it a rivet you should be able to see where it goes together maybe a brass pin used to hold a knife handle on

[1badtacoma]

not a yarn spool. Looks like its one piece. might be bent, I dont know if its suppose to be offset like that or not.

[Montana Jim]

brass shirt stud... I dunno

sure looks like a rivet though...

[1badtacoma]

Anyone know if it could have gone on a mule harness or somethins? I know they had mule's on the farm where I found it.

[Montana Jim]

it could have been a one-piece stud for a harness or something. Holding leather straps/belts together... I also deny having any knowledge of mule harnesses.

[1badtacoma]

thats all I would think it would be, might have got bent due to a mule pulling on it? maybe someone else knows what it is.

[Montana Jim]

thats all I would think it would be, might have got bent due to a mule pulling on it? maybe someone else knows what it is.

Actually, come to think of it, I have a stud like that without the decorations... it's an equipment stud, like for a backpack. 

Maybe I can find it in my piles of crappe.

Here is a homemade confederate stud, made from a bullet: (Item #7) http://www.dixielandrelics.com/Bullets.htm

[BuckleBoy]

It is most certainly some sort of leather rivet. I have found four or five of them in my housesite hunts this year alone...none with the clover looking thingy on it though. Does it have a clover on the other side as well?


-Buckles

[1badtacoma]

the other side is just flat. I beleive that is what it is also can you post a pic of yours to compare it with? any Idea of its age?

[BuckleBoy]

Here's one example...I could've sworn that I found one that was stubby and concave on one end like yours, but I can't locate it right now in the brass bin. I have several of different sizes. All of them are plain on one side and have a blob of metal on the other (almost like it was hammered to affix the rivet to the leather--this is conjecture, because I know nothing about rivet production). So having a plain side seems to be a consistent trait of the rivets.

I generally hunt sites were I find nothing newer than 1900, except for modern farm machinery pieces. Having found these at several sites now, I'm pretty sure they're older though.





Regards,


Buckleboy

[ivan salis]

looks like a very old style "french cuff " type style cuff link stud --- see the outward flaring at the ends ? it goes thru the holes in the shirt ---shamrock motiff === irish most likey ---way cool --clover on one side only (outward facing end on cuff link ) or is it on both ends?

clearly its to close and hold things together / closed -- it appers to be able to be used as shirt cuff links or a "tie" down toggle on a back pack . --so it seems they could have been multi use type item to me --usible for several differant uses at the same time

[Bigcypresshunter]

All of them are plain on one side and have a blob of metal on the other (almost like it was hammered to affix the rivet to the leather--this is conjecture, because I know nothing about rivet production).

Yes, exactly. A rivet usually comes in two pieces. It is placed into the hole, a "washer" is attached on the back side and then it is hammered flat to affix it to the leather.

tacoma's find appears to be one solid piece.

[ivan salis]

the other one is a few post above clearly a two piece rivet type item no doubt -- but the clover item seems to be a cuff link type item to me -- looks like a oce piece cast item and the clover design is interesting -- items with shamrock / clover designs are thought of as being of "irish" origin for the most part

[BuckleBoy]

the other one is a few post above clearly a two piece rivet type item no doubt -- but the clover item seems to be a cuff link type item to me -- looks like a oce piece cast item and the clover design is interesting --  items with shamrock / clover designs are thought of as being  of "irish" origin for the most part

I don't think it's a clover design.  A cuff link would've had much more care exercised in construction.  It would've been gilded most likely, and even if none of the gilding remained, it would have no reason for being bent like that.  A LOT of force required to bend that piece--and it has no plow marks.

What I see is a crudely constructed piece which was meant for utilitarian purpose--not show.  I see a pattern in the metal that is very crude, which resembles a shamrock--likely only coincidentally.  My vote is still for rivet.  Can you see underneath the "shamrock side" of the piece and tell if there is a seam where the metal meets the post?


-Buckleboy

[1badtacoma]

I'll take a closer look at it when I get home a little later.

Thanks,

[randazzo1]

i found one that looked identical to the one Buckleboy posted, but it was in a thick piece of leather that was folded over on itself. I assumed it was a rivet - If i find it - I'll post it ASAP.

[1badtacoma]

Ok I look at it closer and it does appear to have a tiny ring around it where they put it together, so i guess its just a rivet. I think the clover looking end is just where they "locked it in place".

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ok I look at it closer and it does appear to have a tiny ring around it where they put it together, so i guess its just a rivet. I think the clover looking end is just where they "locked it in place".

Ah, the "clover" is just where it was hammered flat to secure it in place. Buckleboy is right. The "clover" looking part is the bottom of the rivet.