🥇 BANNER 1600s Narragansett Indian brass kettle indian point*coppers*reale*eagle buttons

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

1600's Narragansett Indian brass kettle indian point*coppers*reale*eagle buttons

Issac was up from Va and we decided to take him to a couple sites we did well at last visit there.
we found a new site and started there.was hit pretty good by someone before us but I was really stoked when this 1600's Narragansett Indian tribe brass kettle arrow point popped out.i got a large colonial coat button from this site as well.
off to the button site next.this site gave up nice early artillery buttons last visit and today was no exception.Dan got a nice copper signal and i walked over to check with my XLT.nothing! couldn't hear it at 5 inches which is crazy.something wrong with my machine.Issac checked it with his AT PRO bam nice n clear.i quickly broke down the XLT and assembled the MXT ALL-PRO I carried in my back pack.
Now I started finding stuff.a few one piece convex eagle artillery buttons which are toasted,next i got a nice coin spill in the road.2 matron head LC's and a 178? spanish 1 reale.a few more buttons.we worked this site for awhile then headed to one last site to end the day.there I got a rare Machins Mills 1772 KGIII. a great day was had by all.everyone came out with nice keepers.Issac teared it up.killer buttons and a complete shoe buckle.16 years old and he looked like a veteran cellar hole hunter out there.

I didn't post last saturdays finds but got a beautiful 1805 draped bust half cent and a 1776 1/2 reale. I was told this may be a Rev War shoulder strap sling buckle? any feed back would be appreciated and a broken eagle wing from a shako hat plate.bummer

 

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[doninbrewster]

WOW! You continue to come up with great finds. The coin certainly appears to be a Machins V.5-72A. It certainly isn't the 6 obverse. I've owned both the V.6-72A and V.6-76A and it's an easy spot this isn't the same obverse. It appears the V.5-72A was struck before the V.6-72A as there is a die break on liberty's arm that develops when used with the 6 obverse. You made some great finds. Color me jealous.

 

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[Jyverb64]

Killer finds as always, some great history

 

[Don in SJ]

All of you had a excellent hunt and like usual you did outstanding. The cleaned MM copper is not too bad at all, great detail, much better than my only MM. The Indian artifact is the find of the day, since you sure don't see something like that posted from New England area often if at all! Not being versed in that area, how did you determine what it is?

Don

 

[leddel]

The Indian artifact is the find of the day, since you sure don't see something like that posted from New England area often if at all! Not being versed in that area, how did you determine what it is?

Don

Don , I have been metal detecting for the Pequot Indian Museum for the last 5 years and have been pretty well versed in these brass kettle points by the archaeologists. I also have been fortunate enough to have dug a few types of points myself but i have only posted them in the fur trade section of this website.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Man oh man, this post has it all--a killer native american artifact, fantastic copper recoveries, old silver and military. I bet that more of that shako plate is there somewhere.

-Buck

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Great bunch of early coins and relics Dave. And that spear point is killer!

 

[hogge]

Don , I have been metal detecting for the Pequot Indian Museum for the last 5 years and have been pretty well versed in these brass kettle points by the archaeologists. I also have been fortunate enough to have dug a few types of points myself but i have only posted them in the fur trade section of this website.

WOW! I didn't know that. Do you live in, or around, the Ledyard area? I do....on occasion, take a couple trips a year to the "Ledyard" area.

 

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

All of you had a excellent hunt and like usual you did outstanding. The cleaned MM copper is not too bad at all, great detail, much better than my only MM. The Indian artifact is the find of the day, since you sure don't see something like that posted from New England area often if at all! Not being versed in that area, how did you determine what it is?

Don

thanks Don! from seeing Dan's progress and posts on the Pequot hunts,I knew right away what it was when I dug it.I came barrelling down the road towards Dan with a huge smile on my face.I was stoked to find this

 

[Tnmountains]

What a great hunt and old history. I would be beside myself on a metal detecting site of that age. Great post and thanks for sharing it!
HH
TnMtns

 

[leddel]

WOW! I didn't know that. Do you live in, or around, the Ledyard area? I do....on occasion, take a couple trips a year to the "Ledyard" area.

actually Hogge , I live in Enfield Ct. . probably closer to you then the museum itself

 

[johnnyblaze]

Well that is a nice haul for sure man..

You asked why no word from me on my last post,so here i am..

There is no way you can say that is from the 1600's..

It could have been made in the 1700's or 1800's which would be more likely judging from your finds in the same area..

It could also have been made by Colonials or settlers.
So to say it is from the 1600's is just speculation..Maybe you should show it to a real expert..I would like to hit the banner button on this but it has to be
confirmed..

~Blaze

 

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

Well that is a nice haul for sure man..

You asked why no word from me on my last post,so here i am..

There is no way you can say that is from the 1600's..

It could have been made in the 1700's or 1800's which would be more likely judging from your finds in the same area..

It could also have been made by Colonials or settlers.
So to say it is from the 1600's is just speculation..Maybe you should show it to a real expert..I would like to hit the banner button on this but it has to be
confirmed..

~Blaze

wow,are you serious?

 

[leddel]

There is no way you can say that is from the 1600's..

It could have been made in the 1700's or 1800's which would be more likely judging from your finds in the same area..

It could also have been made by Colonials or settlers.
So to say it is from the 1600's is just speculation..Maybe you should show it to a real expert..I would like to hit the banner button on this but it has to be
confirmed..

~Blaze

Johnny , these brass kettle points have only about a 60 year window when they were made and used.
from the initial contact point of about 1620 to about the time of King Philips War around 1670.

the natives had certain tools and techniques they used to make these points that the colonists wouldn't
or couldn't replicated (why would they in the first place) , besides that the home sites are from a much later time after the Indians were gone or eradicated from the area .

Its authentic I can assure you , the only thing I'm not sure about is the Indian Tribe its from but I don't think its a Pequot point . theres a very good chance of it being a Narragansett or Wampanoag point.

 

[johnnyblaze]

Johnny , these brass kettle points have only about a 60 year window when they were made and used.
from the initial contact point of about 1620 to about the time of King Philips War around 1670.

the natives had certain tools and techniques they used to make these points that the colonists wouldn't
or couldn't replicated (why would they in the first place) , besides that the home sites are from a much later time after the Indians were gone or eradicated from the area .

Its authentic I can assure you , the only thing I'm not sure about is the Indian Tribe its from but I don't think its a Pequot point . theres a very good chance of it being a Narragansett or Wampanoag point.

My research is telling me they made them right up to The French and Indian War..Why would they just stop after the King Phillip war??

Sure they started using guns but most preferred to shoot a bow and arrow from horseback..
It could have been a bounty that a Colonial kept from The French and Indian war??

But to say it IS from the 1600's is speculation.....
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/north-american-indian-artifacts/407867-metal-arrowhead.html
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/my-best-finds/323304-1700-s-metallic-arrowheads.html


~Blaze

 

[leddel]

My research is telling me they made them right up to The French and Indian War..Why would they just stop after the King Phillip war??

Sure they started using guns but most preferred to shoot a bow and arrow from horseback..
It could have been a bounty that a Colonial kept from The French and Indian war??

But to say it IS from the 1600's is speculation.....
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/north-american-indian-artifacts/407867-metal-arrowhead.html
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/my-best-finds/323304-1700-s-metallic-arrowheads.html


~Blaze

well maybe you should take your research to UCONN or the Pequot Indian Museum and show them .
there is a Dr. Kevin Mcbride and Military Historian Mr. David Neumec that would really like to see what kind of research you did to come up with that info. They are pretty adamant about the time frame i mentioned about the Brass kettle made points.

these natives here in New England didn't ever shoot arrows from horseback those were the "plains Indians" exclusively and by that time they were using iron arrow points , your comparing apples and oranges Johnny.

 

[johnnyblaze]

well maybe you should take your research to UCONN or the Pequot Indian Museum and show them .
there is a Dr. Kevin Mcbride and Military Historian Mr. David Neumec that would really like to see what kind of research you did to come up with that info. They are pretty adamant about the time frame i mentioned about the Brass kettle made points.

these natives here in New England didn't ever shoot arrows from horseback those were the "plains Indians" exclusively and by that time they were using iron arrow points , your comparing apples and oranges Johnny.

I do love a battle of wits Peddel......

~Blaze

 

[leddel]

I do love a battle of wits Peddel......

~Blaze

then I'll make the appointment with you and Dr. McBride and Mr. Neumec to discuss it Phil.

 

[mirage83]

Truly impressive collection of finds, but that point is awesome. Can't recall ever seeing one on TN before.

 

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

Truly impressive collection of finds, but that point is awesome. Can't recall ever seeing one on TN before.

thanks !

 

[flyinryan2]

Great finds congrats!