1786 New Jersey Nova Caesarea--Colonial toast--but a clean Colon matters :-)

[port ewen ace]

came from the farm field with a thick coat of black and green. extensive cleaning with baking soda, 800 grit, electrolysis, & peroxide-- the final result is enough details to make the ID. part of UNUM is visible, obverse appears to be "date under plow beam" variety. some were minted in NY, so resting at a farm in Kingston, NY fits with all the other relics these fields are releasing from their grip. back today for more

 

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[trapperart]

Congrats on a nice find

 

[scruggs]

Looking good...sweet find!

 

[HomeGuardDan]

Still not a bad find man...congrats!

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Love the old coppers! Congratulations on the find!

 

[Evolution]

Glad you were able to ID that. Slick coppers are such anti-climactic finds. Congrats!

 

[l.cutler]

It is definitely not the date under plow beam, the horse head is shaped wrong. Don in SJ may be able to identify the variety, he is the man on NJ coppers. If he doesn't spot the thread, PM him.

 

[against the wind]

Great find
Your definitely willing to put in some effort, , even after the find.
Congrats

 

[ARC]

"Camel Head" variety ? ? ? ... Struck over Connecticut copper ? ? ?

 

[Don in SJ]

It is definitely not the date under plow beam, the horse head is shaped wrong. Don in SJ may be able to identify the variety, he is the man on NJ coppers. If he doesn't spot the thread, PM him.

Don has been working on the exact variety since yesterday evening, and yes I knew right away it was not any of the date under the beam ones, however it is a 1786. I have it narrowed down to two varieties, and should have it figured out this morning.

 

[Don in SJ]

After doing a tracing of what features I can use for IDing, I will say it is a 1786 Maris 24-P variety. It is a tough one due to condition and the Obverse photo appears to be an angle shot that distorts spacing between details. If it is not a 24-P the other possibility was a 1786 Maris 21-P, but when I did the tracing the contour of the chest of the horse matches the 24 Obverse and not the 21. So will be logging it in the survey as a 1786 Maris 24-P unless someone can prove otherwise.

I always recommend taking before and after photos in a standard photo position, a lot of times something will show on the before shots that will be lost on the after cleaning photo, since dirt and corrosion seem to mimic details a lot of times, also head on shots are the best to do.

The 1786 Maris 24-P is listed as a Common variety but I really think it is not, it is only the 4th one out of over 530 NJ coppers ID'd by variety in the survey, so that is nowhere near a common find comparing to other varieties reported found......

1786 New Jersey Copper - Maris 24-P

 

[port ewen ace]

new photos after more cleaning shot without angle. this coin was just a metal blob when it was exhumed, major thanks to Don in SJ. location of farm find is Kingston, NY.

After doing a tracing of what features I can use for IDing, I will say it is a 1786 Maris 24-P variety. It is a tough one due to condition and the Obverse photo appears to be an angle shot that distorts spacing between details. If it is not a 24-P the other possibility was a 1786 Maris 21-P, but when I did the tracing the contour of the chest of the horse matches the 24 Obverse and not the 21. So will be logging it in the survey as a 1786 Maris 24-P unless someone can prove otherwise.

I always recommend taking before and after photos in a standard photo position, a lot of times something will show on the before shots that will be lost on the after cleaning photo, since dirt and corrosion seem to mimic details a lot of times, also head on shots are the best to do.

The 1786 Maris 24-P is listed as a Common variety but I really think it is not, it is only the 4th one out of over 530 NJ coppers ID'd by variety in the survey, so that is nowhere near a common find comparing to other varieties reported found......

1786 New Jersey Copper - Maris 24-P

 

[port ewen ace]

sold it today for $15. not bad for a blob of corroded copper