4/13 3 hrs wet

[kentucky Quinn]

Hello. Just wanted to share from today. I was able to work in rock house for about 3 hrs first time I’ve been out in about 2 weeks. It was pretty wet in there so hard to tell what I’m looking at. Had pretty nice afternoon. Think the one might be a Kirk serrated possibly? It’s much more serrated on edges than most of the others I find here. Found some chips and chunks of chert as well as busted tip. I know the base is gone on the point, so it’s harder to ID. Feedback always welcome and appreciated. Still new to this stuff Thanks

 

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[dognose]

Looks like a good time to me.

you may be right a serrated kirk sans the base.

Is is beveled? Hard to say from the images.

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Looks like a good time to me.

you may be right a serrated kirk sans the base.

Is is beveled? Hard to say from the images.

I’m not sure about being “beveled”. Took a couple more pics. What do you need to see or what angle would be needed to tell? Thanks

 

[PaleIO]

Any day with a screen is a good day...That beautiful point tops it all off!

 

[willjo]

Looks more like the Kirk Corner notched shape and you hear kirks are always beveled but in my area of Georgia that is not always true. Look at a kirk corner notched point and see what you think

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Looks more like the Kirk Corner notched shape and you hear kirks are always beveled but in my area of Georgia that is not always true. Look at a kirk corner notched point and see what you think

I looked at the Kirk Corner notched also, I guess the base would have really helped in figuring it out. I agree with your ID. Honestly, it looks like one side of this one may have been damaged or broken, and was re-worked, it has the very defined jagged edge pattern as the other side, who knows. It’s great fun speculating though, for sure!!

 

[tnmudman]

Maybe a Pinetree?

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Maybe a Pinetree?

Yes, I see a couple of those that look very similar for sure. I find it fascinating that so many generations of native peoples utilized the caves, rock houses and overhangs on my property, and surely surrounding area. I think their were probably more people around here hunting/fishing/living way back when than in modern times. I think there are 7 people per square mile in my county, pretty spread out. Here is a pic of the best I’ve found so far in this rock house, seem to be of differing eras


Heading to dig / sift for the afternoon, what’s left. Hope to add something else to share!

 

[tnmudman]

It is fascinating to imagine how it was back through the centuries here. How much longer they were here than we have been. Its a shame most of their history is lost.

 

[kentucky Quinn]

It is fascinating to imagine how it was back through the centuries here. How much longer they were here than we have been. Its a shame most of their history is lost.

I agree completely. Trying to do my part to gather all I can to learn about people of the past. Also, you guys on this website sure know your stuff! I found this partial this afternoon with lots of chert pieces. Also think I hit an old fire bed when leaving about 3 ft down, it’s all black and burnt stuff. That’s where this partial was. It has notched work and a wide base. Pretty thick in middle where it busted. Happy times, thanks as always








Can’t wait to sift the fire pit area tomorrow!

 

[tnmudman]

Wow, that would have been a killer! Love them deep notches.

 

[Older The Better]

If you’re going for history consider saving some charcoal. For your average Joe charcoal isn’t worth the time but to an archaeologist it’s a very useful thing to find. I’ve saved charcoal from some of my sites, maybe someday an opportunity will arise I can get it carbon dated. At the least I’m preserving evidence for the future... but then again I save every flake, unusual rocks that are probably nothing, I’ve even got an old looking seed that I didn’t recognize, buried right near a fire pit, so maybe I’m a bit extreme.

 

[Tdog]

That fragment may be a Motley.

https://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Motley.html

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Well I’m just trying to be respectful as possible to the locations I’m working. They are on my property, but I am only gonna be here so long, hopefully the land continues on long after me. I have ziplock bags full of every chip and fragment as well, and I label the locations from where I gathered everything. Now, I’m really wondering while sifting and digging how much/many pottery fragments I’ve probably tossed to the side in the rock pile. It kinda bothers me to think that. I certainly would like to collect the pottery fragments too, just not sure I’d know it if I find it. I have one small piece of clay pottery I found which is definitely a knob or handle of some sort. Maybe the natives that utilized my caves were more ancient and never made any pottery. I don’t know, but I hope I just haven’t really found any yet. Here’s the little piece I found a few weeks back.

 

[PaleIO]

Is all of this coming from inside the rock shelter? I have had great luck digging out in front of shelters on the downhill slopes. Also firepits can hold a lot of damaged artifacts. In my opinion it was because that was the easiest place to discard them while butchering and cooking....same reason I think they end up outside the shelters. But we are talking apples and oranges comparing NM to KY...just a thought I wanted to share.

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Yes everything I’m finding is inside the drip line around large rocks and anywhere from the top 3 inches down to a couple feet (as far as I’ve gotten). Really I was just randomly flipping large rocks and raking / digging the top couple inches all over. This rock shelter overhang runs probably 150 ft long that you are dry and have cover. At one end it opens back into a large shelter cave room. That’s where I’ve been focusing past couple days. In front of room inside drip line. Have about a 6 x 6 ft spot I’m digging down now and sifting it all. Feel like I’ve been really lucky with my finds so far.

 

[PaleIO]

Yes everything I’m finding is inside the drip line around large rocks and anywhere from the top 3 inches down to a couple feet (as far as I’ve gotten). Really I was just randomly flipping large rocks and raking / digging the top couple inches all over. This rock shelter overhang runs probably 150 ft long that you are dry and have cover. At one end it opens back into a large shelter cave room. That’s where I’ve been focusing past couple days. In front of room inside drip line. Have about a 6 x 6 ft spot I’m digging down now and sifting it all. Feel like I’ve been really lucky with my finds so far.

You have been very lucky! That One of my favorite thing's to do. In our area most shelters have a good layer of sheep manure in them because the old Spanish herders used them as night pens. Once you get below that you will find kiowa evidence with a lot of prarie dog bones and small animal bones. One cave we dug on a friends ranch was nearly 6' deep in the back corner before we started finding some older stuff dating 6-8,000 yrs old. We haven't had a chance to get back to it for over a year but it's still going. You just never know what will turn up next...happy hunting and keep us posted!