Buggin Out

[AU24K]

Not really, actually!

Convince me.....

Best,
Imhotep

 

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[Ammonhotep]

You do not say whether you are an urban or city dweller. BIG DIFFERENCE!

I submit that what you probably meant to say is "rural or city dweller."

Best,
Amon-Ra

 

[Frankn]

I use country/ city. I live in the country. Frank

 

[AU24K]

I submit that what you probably meant to say is "rural or city dweller."

Best,
Amon-Ra

You are correct upon my error of terms. Good catch, Friend.

My original thought was that RURAL dwellers may have an advantage; in knowledge of surrounding terrain, crops, game, seasonal changes, etc.

My Best,
Scott

PS. In appreciation of your screen name, I submit this in relation to knowledge of similar subject matter:


http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/au24k/290025-school-2.html#post3031092

My Best Wishes

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

If it comes to a worst case sitution, most may as well stick their head between their legs and kiss their butt goodbye..... Very few will survive past 3-6 months... Its very easy to say oh I will do this and that and make it, but truth is most want make it....... Those who are lucky enough to live out in the areas with the least population have a better chance, but also have the worst weather conditions.........

 

[Red James Cash]

while most of these suggestions are good, there are many more possibilities that need addressing. If you are planning for a long term sustainable future without the dependance of modern society, you will need transportation(bicycle?), a mountain bike can take you off the beaten path. You will need seeds to grow a garden, you will need antibiotics(colloidal silver, oil of Oregano), you will need some garden tools or at least the tools without the handles. You can always find handle material in the woods. You definitely will need to boil your water for purification, especially if everyone is out there trying to secure water for their families. You will need a place not well known to secure water, or off the beaten path. When the utilities go, the worst fights will be at the local creeks, rivers, lakes and ponds. These will probably be the heaviest guarded places , and the most unsanitary. Without a sewer system, most sewage will run into the creeks and rivers. You can survive a while without food, but not long without water. If you are planning to bug in and fight, it would be best not to engage a hoard of people unless truly in a life threatening siuation. You can only hold off so many before they burn you out or find another way to get to you. Water, food, shelter and clothing in that order should be your priorities. Good Luck. rockhound

It all depends on the bugout situation.If you have a safe place to go the majority of your stuff should already be there.If i have 5 minutes to move,i wont be worrying about gardening tools.Martial law means road blocks,searches and seizures,or if its bad you get taken to the closest ditch and popped in the back of the head.Bugging out means bare essentials only.Enough supplies to get to where you want to go to your main cache,or enough to keep you alive for a few weeks until things settle and you get your mind together and are able to make plans to address the particular situation.One thing is at least you tried instead of sitting there waiting for your spot in the FEMA camp or the bullet in the back of the head.Try you might succeed,dont try you surely wont succeed,then and only then you'll be kissing your own butt goodbye.

 

[truckinbutch]

If it comes to a worst case sitution, most may as well stick their head between their legs and kiss their butt goodbye..... Very few will survive past 3-6 months... Its very easy to say oh I will do this and that and make it, but truth is most want make it....... Those who are lucky enough to live out in the areas with the least population have a better chance, but also have the worst weather conditions.........

I couldn't agree more . I started out in a candle/coal oil/wood stove environment with no refridgeration . Have taught my kids and grandkids as much as I can about that way of living . We have a better chance than most .

 

[AU24K]

I couldn't agree more . I started out in a candle/coal oil/wood stove environment with no refridgeration . Have taught my kids and grandkids as much as I can about that way of living . We have a better chance than most .

It appears that you, me, and a few others will survive.

Keep the Faith, Brother!


Best,
Scott

 

[releventchair]

It appears that you, me, and a few others will survive.

Keep the Faith, Brother!


Best,
Scott

For many it comes down to forgotten ways of making do that were common a few generations ago.
A can without an electric can opener to much for some.
I,ll be right here,less i get run off to the woods from which i,d half to pilfer from my own stashes when possible. Sure wouldn't be pleasant and hiding tracks and shelter come winter would pose a problem. Counting on the many dogs to give me the usual heads up should anyone be around. Feeding them should travel be a hazard would be a challenge. Got a six wheeler and plenty of fire power but would expect travel routes and town to be unsafe. An interdependence with neighbors best bet, it would be different than now but we been looking out for each other pretty well.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Great thread. I got so pissed when the reality shows - makes the people out to be wack jobs - and certainly some are.

I am a completely rational skeptic about everything, but even I prep. I consider it an "insurance policy". IE you hope you never have to use it and you probably will never need it. But man is it good to have if by a slim chance you ever do need it.

I started prepping around some of the flu epidemic scares - bird, swine, etc etc. remember the Spanish flu of the early 1900s - society really ground to a halt in many places.

I'm also a big believer that our energy dependent global society can not support its growing population without abundant cheap energy. Prob won't impact me, but maybe my children.

Invasion of the US - red dawn - will absolutely never happen. We have no enemies on our borders (unless you think the Canadians will invade - and let's face it we are already being "invaded" by Mexico). It is logistically impossible to move the number of troops and material to the us to be able to physically conquer and hold the country. Believe me - totally possible.

The more our society advances, the more risks we face. We are a world of specialist usually trained to do one specific thing. If things collapse how many people out there know how to build a phone, a plane, a computer, etc. the knowledge of the last 2 hundred years could be lost quickly. Think of the fall of Rome and then the dark/middle ages - Europe probably lost about a thousand years of development or more.

I'm a complete skeptic, but I believe a modern society can collapse very very quickly into anarchy. Think of some of the riots even in this country when in a day or two of unrest there is mass looting, fires and complete lawlessness.

In the end "society" is a very weak glue keeping most of us civil. In the end, man will do anything for a potato.

I used to get home power magazine. If its still published or online it's a good read - especially look at the old issues - before renewable and home generated power became a yuppy fad.

Keep those "insurance policies" and hope you never have to use them.

Eric

 

[Red James Cash]

Invasion of the US - red dawn - will absolutely never happen. We have no enemies on our borders (unless you think the Canadians will invade - and let's face it we are already being "invaded" by Mexico). It is logistically impossible to move the number of troops and material to the us to be able to physically conquer and hold the country. Believe me - totally possible.

The problem you dont see is that the forces are already here,UN forces are already stationed in this country.

 

[0121stockpicker]

You would need hundred of thousands to over a million troops to land invade and hold the us. Even at the height of the cold war no one in the military even seriously contemplated a russian invasion.

And the UN - please. They are about as incompetent as it gets in their light blue helmets. They cant keep bush league third world countries from tearing themselves apart. Name one single successful operation conducted by the un - its the worlds biggest incompetent bureaucracy and a threat to no one except our tax dollars. And you forget the fact that the UN soldiers are nothing but soldiers from different countries around the world temporarily on loan to the UN. The have no standing force of their own. The soldiers loyalties and command is strictly with the country they come from - that's why it stinks - too many chefs in the kitchen. And the last i checked the un is generally under great influence from the us. You might as well say that NATO is going to invade us - that's prob more likely than the UN. So where would all these soldiers come from? I'd worry a lot more about fighting your neighbor over food or nog being infected by the next flu pandemic than a foreign army invasion.

But in the end, prep for all possible outcomes.

 

[Red James Cash]

Are you going prepared to tell them that when they have a rifle pointed at your belly asking for your guns

 

[Ammonhotep]

RE: teaming up or going solo.

I currently live in Egypt--a place you all have read about (or are currently reading about).

When the real revolution happened in Jan/Feb of 2011, neighborhoods locked down. Light poles and trees came down and road-blocks went up. Safety came when people banded together. They spontaneously set up 24/7 neighborhood watch teams in each neighborhood (including foreigners in their rotations). If you didn't belong in a neighborhood, you didn't go there, particularly at night.

Firearms here are less common, so people had knives and clubs. Conflicts outside of Tahrir were minimal, by any standard. Cell towers went down, but land-lines were active (consider the implications for the un-wired US). The real problems were food, water, and energy shortages. Most services stayed active to some degree, but people got lucky because the real rough times didn't last long.

In a longer-term situation people would quickly start roving in groups to secure the essentials. This would have meant inter-neighborhood fights to start with, and very quickly people would head to rural locations. All the rural loners would be targeted first, in my opinion. Despite the advantages of resources, preparation, and the home-field, loners would be consumed by the urban marauders.

Thus my opinion is that a rural situation, with a cohesive group, would be the ideal place to endure a true social breakdown.

The next greatest danger at that point would be in-fighting.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Wow thanks for the real life example. Stay safe.

 

[Frankn]

I think the big advantage we have in the US is gun ownership. In any civil breakdown, self defense is the priority. Without this nothing else matters. Here in the US, most of the gun owners are people in the country. Frank

 

[0121stockpicker]

Double edged sword as you are Assuming those guns are not turned on you.

 

[Red James Cash]

Wow thanks for the real life example

If i posted the info here it would be considered political and the thread would be locked.Look it up,its not very hard to do.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I guess we can comment all we want on foreign governments. I just think the board doesn't want people to get into political party fights. Just like at parties or work - political and religious discussions off limits. Some people just take these topics among others way too personally sometimes.

 

[Frankn]

stockpicker, I think I am holding that doubel edge sword. I made Expert in the Army and have many guns. My son lives with me and our circle of friends all have guns and ammo. from AK's to Kimbers. We also have the advantage of knowing the terrain which is hills and valleys. This is not the place that an urban dweller would choose to be trapped in.

As far as water is concerned, I have a spring house attached to my home. It is fed by an artesian fault which fills a concrete chamber 2'wide 2' deep and 18'long. A hand pump could supply the complete house system. Sewer is a septic system. I am installing solar hot water heating. perhaps a backup hand pump would work here too. Frank