Bundys free case thrown out

[wildminer]

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/01/wi/ap/08/2efgcpj-1-640x200.jpg Oops, script did not post. Anyway a win for public land users.

 

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[Johnnybravo300]

Our blm law enforcement officers here carry a sidearm and in the truck there's an m4 and a rem 870 with hundreds of rounds for each.
I don't know how many weapons they can use at once but when the sparrows and butterflies attack they will be ready to lay down suppressive fire for an entire company hehe.
Good thing is, the crime rate in the woods here is zero! Imagine that!

 

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[Assembler]

retired agency officials say

BLM made serious mistake with show of force at Nevada standoff, retired agency officials say
Updated 6:04 AM; Posted Jan 14,
BLM made serious mistake with show of force at Nevada standoff, retired agency officials say | OregonLive.com
By Maxine Bernstein
[email protected]
The Oregonian/OregonLive
Cliven Bundy and his two sons have repeatedly denounced the massive buildup of armed tactical officers, surreptitious surveillance and use of stun guns and police dogs near the family's Nevada ranch in the days leading up to the 2014 federal roundup of their cattle.
Now two retired high-level managers with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management are condemning their agency's militarized show of force during that operation.
Their criticism underscores deep divisions over how the government handled the case from the beginning all the way up to last week's remarkable dismissal of federal charges against the Bundys.
Two members of Congress have seized on the collapse of the prosecution, directing the Bureau of Land Management to respond to their concerns about "systemic issues" within the agency's law enforcement operations and its handling of the Bundy case by a Jan. 24 deadline.
The presence of more than 100 federal law enforcement officers was a highly unusual tactic to corral cattle. Many dressed in camouflage and carried rifles. Some took up sniper positions at observation posts near the Bundy ranch.
"It was a strategy that certainly was a poor one,'' said Robert Abbey, who served 30 years with the bureau, including eight years as its Nevada state director and then his final three years as national director through 2012. "In hindsight, the agency knew or should have known better.''
Land resource managers or range conservationists traditionally run the roundups of trespassing cattle in eastern Oregon or Nevada with the help of local sheriff's deputies, said Abbey and Mike Ford, who retired in 1999 as the land bureau's Nevada deputy director.
"It was never a law enforcement action in the BLM I grew up in,'' said Ford, who worked in the agency for 25 years. "For whatever reason, the BLM elected to turn this Bundy situation into a 100 percent law enforcement operation. That in my opinion was a grievous error. This entire operation was handled poorly from the beginning.''
Compounding the tension was the decision to have the bureau's special agent in charge of the Nevada and Utah region's law enforcement, lead the effort. Dan Love was considered a loose cannon, court and federal investigative records indicate, and escalated the confrontation. He has since been fired for unrelated misconduct.
At the same time, U.S. Reps. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, chair of the House Committee on Natural Resources, and Bruce Westerman, R-Arkansas, chair of its oversight and investigations subcommittee, are seeking a congressional review of the BLM's actions in the Bundy case.
"The failure of prosecutors to achieve a conviction in the Bundy case raises questions about the conduct of BLM law enforcement, and their ability to carry out effective, fair and professional law enforcement investigations,'' they said in a letter to the agency.
The U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Professional Responsibility also is investigating the prosecutors' evidence violations and whether discipline is warranted. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has sent an expert to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Nevada office to do a policy review and suggest what steps to take next to make sure prosecutors know the law requiring them to share evidence that may be favorable to the defense.

 

[Johnnybravo300]

That's kind of what I was pointing at as the biggest crime I see here.

Everything the Bundy's did was small fries and should have been up to the county to deal with. The very govt that swears to protect liberties failed them at every level from day one....from the sheriff to the blm.
The feds controlled the stage from the start and it escalated from a permit refusal to the mess it is now. Can't blame the Bundy's for flubbing it hehe. That's the blms specialty. They could sponsor the special Olympics and compete at the same time and it would be money well spent and less pathetic.

 

[Assembler]

That's kind of what I was pointing at as the biggest crime I see here.

Everything the Bundy's did was small fries and should have been up to the county to deal with. The very govt that swears to protect liberties failed them at every level from day one....from the sheriff to the blm.
The feds controlled the stage from the start and it escalated from a permit refusal to the mess it is now. Can't blame the Bundy's for flubbing it hehe. That's the blms specialty. They could sponsor the special Olympics and compete at the same time and it would be money well spent and less pathetic.

Maybe it will take internal whistle blowers to point this out.

 

[Johnnybravo300]

For a guy with so few cattle on land with no food or water it sure was a big deal to get his money haha. That part was never in question.
I wonder if the amounts received would pay for the amount of resources spent.
It's funny how the term idiot can be relative.
Even the IRS knows when to give it up.

 

[Assembler]

For a guy with so few cattle on land with no food or water it sure was a big deal to get his money haha. That part was never in question.
I wonder if the amounts received would pay for the amount of resources spent.
It's funny how the term idiot can be relative.
Even the IRS knows when to give it up.

The following may answer your question:

Nevada Bundy Prosecution Collapses: The Federal Government Spent a Quarter-Billion Dollars but Couldn’t Convict the Bundys of a Single Crime
By Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D.
January 12, 2018
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01...couldnt-convict-the-bundys-of-a-single-crime/
In 2013 the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained federal court orders authorizing the agency to “seize and remove to impound” hundreds of Cliven Bundy’s cattle on the public ranges around Bunkerville, Nevada. The agency interpreted these court orders broadly, and descended on the area in April 2014 with some 200 body-armor-wearing agents, semiautomatic weapons, sniper teams, undercover informants, and surveillance cameras aimed at the Bundy residence.
The BLM brought more than corralls and horse trailers. They brought backhoes, dumptrucks and earth-moving equipment to tear up water lines and other infrastructure that had been built by Bundy and his ancestors over decades. Defying county officials, the federal officers chose calving season–the very time when cows and newborn calves are most physically weak and vulnerable–to execute the court orders. They orchestrated a paramilitarized roundup operation using helicopters to terrify the cattle into stampeding to the point of exhaustion in extreme heat. At least 40 cows either died from the ordeal or were shot by BLM employees and contractors.
The Feds even used the impoundment order to establish “First Amendment Zones” limiting freedom of speech in a 600,000-acre area to two small isolated parcels in the desert. It was almost certainly the largest infringement of First Amendment rights (by area) in American history.
When Bundy’s son Dave stopped on a state highway to photograph BLM snipers on local hillsides, BLM agents threw him down, ground his face into asphalt and falsely arrested him. And when other family members stopped a BLM dump truck to inquire if the truck was carrying dead cows, BLM agents erupted in a flurry of violence.

Are "Miners" next?
With this kind of money on the line may not just be ranchers any more.

BLM & FBI Exposed or How the Bundy’s Got Released
https://redoubtnews.com/2017/11/blm-fbi-exposed-bundys-released/
There was a sealed hearing this morning. The court discussed the false narrative that the prosecution has been perpetuating. I am sure they did not call it that, but nonetheless, it is what it is.
The government has been trying to get everyone to believe many false statements, beginning with Cliven owing more than a million dollars in grazing fees. As we showed, they never sent a bill for grazing fees to the Bundy Ranch, however, the fees for trespassing cattle was less than $9,000. They added their own administrative fees to it which brought the total to less than $300,000. Far less than the $1.1 million they have been repeating through their controlled and biased media.

 

[Johnnybravo300]

There it is. That's the bomb right there.

The blm was so excited to use all their new military equipment that they forgot there is something called due process haha. That darn constitution keeps getting in the way of their cool new toys.

 

[Assembler]

There it is. That's the bomb right there.

The blm was so excited to use all their new military equipment that they forgot there is something called due process haha. That darn constitution keeps getting in the way of their cool new toys.

More maybe coming out after January 25, 2018. Time will tell.
Cliven Bundy has talked about "Land documents" just don't know yet.

Letter to the editor: Sen. Collins should reject poor choice for BLM chief
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/01...lins-should-reject-poor-choice-for-blm-chief/
I urge Sen. Susan Collins to reject the nomination of Karen Budd-Falen to run the federal Bureau of Land Management. She is an anti-government, anti-environment ideologue and should not be at the helm of this important bureau.
Budd-Falen has represented rancher Cliven Bundy, the anti-government extremist who led an armed standoff on public lands. As a lawyer, Budd-Falen worked to reject the conservation of endangered species, lift protections on lands and undermine and sue BLM staff.

 

[Reed Lukens]

I felt that I have apologized for starting this thread even though the mods have stated that it is mining related as it relates to the BLM. However the constant derogatory name calling is causing me to lose respect for someone I once respected. One thing for sure is we are all human and make mistakes.

It does belong here, it's flat out another BLM Land grab using the desert tortoise as an endangered species for the excuse. It's headed by the center for biological diversity, Sierra club, etc. Once again the cbd tried to get the blm to remove the cattle, so is the problem really the BLM? NO! It's the environazi's behind it once again...

 

[Assembler]

It does belong here, it's flat out another BLM Land grab using the desert tortoise as an endangered species for the excuse. It's headed by the center for biological diversity, Sierra club, etc. Once again the cbd tried to get the blm to remove the cattle, so is the problem really the BLM? NO! It's the environazi's behind it once again...

Yes this one agrees. However this one is not going to talk much about this as some may take it as "Political". The 'Due process' can effect anyone including "Miners" etc.
Thanks for pointing out Reed Lukens.

 

[ncclaymaker]

link?
Judge Dismisses Standoff Case Against Rancher Cliven Bundy, Sons - Breitbart

Love the source!!! The fountain of alt-truth, fake news, news reporting on the alternate, ever evolving universe of Bannonworld. Oooops, I forgot, if it's from the web, it must be the truth.

 

[Goldwasher]

He wasn't refused a permit.

He refused to pay.

Due process?

He had three rounds of court and lost them all. The court ordered this in 1998 and BLM didn't act.

The court decided the cattle needed to be removed and ordered Bundy to stay away during the round up.

They openly stated they would face the BLM and anyone else with arms.

If you don't think the BLM or any agency is going to escalated and be ready to stomp at that point.

Well, you haven't been paying attention.


The sick thing is that there are hundreds of "supporters " that actually want another Ruby Ridge or Waco. Anything to justify their beliefs and political idealogy.

 

[Goldwasher]

What is a Bundys' favorite 4x4?

Jeep "Bandwagoneer"

 

[Johnnybravo300]

Why would anyone want another Waco or Ruby ridge. That doesn't even make sense.

The feds have looked bad from day one and they can't even suck their guts in for the camera. Last thing they'd want to do is go up against this force of armed men.

 

[Johnnybravo300]

Maybe they should challenge Bundy to a pie eating contest.

 

[Assembler]

Why would anyone want another Waco or Ruby ridge. That doesn't even make sense.

The feds have looked bad from day one and they can't even suck their guts in for the camera. Last thing they'd want to do is go up against this force of armed men.

Bundy standoff defendants want Nevada federal prosecutors removed from case
Robert Anglen, The Republic | azcentral.com
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-federal-prosecutors-removed-case/1031353001/
Defendants in the upcoming Bundy Ranch standoff trial say Nevada federal prosecutors need to be disqualified and removed from the cases they launched two years ago.
The defendants, including two of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's sons, want a judge to bar the entire Nevada U.S. Attorney's Office from prosecuting the case.
In a motion filed late Friday, four of the five remaining defendants say Nevada prosecutors have multiple conflicts of interest and should be viewed as potential witnesses if the case goes forward.
They say the entire prosecution team needs to be replaced because they could be called to testify in court about recently revealed documents raising questions about their conduct.

 

[Goldwasher]

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/17/facts-disprove-conspiracy-theory-about-sen-harry-r/

 

[Goldwasher]

The area in red is the allotment Bundy always paid to graze in. The hashed/lined area is the whole area that he started letting his cows trespass.

The area the court ordered all cattle removed from.

You can see how overboard Bundy went. It's silly to run cattle that far from your base ranch. It is farther than he ran them historically and per his "grazing rights" he wouldn't have been allowed to back then.

He had to push it. It wasn't BLM overstepping.

The confrontation at the round up was dumb on both sides.

Though BLM was in the right to round up his cattle.


The new ( potential) wilderness areas actually left most of historic range open. he still could have run cattle.

There is no major mining going on anywhere that pushed him out or had anything to do with his decisions or actions.

Mostly Copper, tungsten, lead. molybdenum nickel. Some gold some silver and pg group.

No one has been pushed out over uranium or and land grabs.

So, many parroted talking points and narrative keywords backing his movement and in the discussions online.

All disproven.

Very few facts shared in his support are even true they are just repeated beliefs.

It's sad to watch

 

[gusser]

There were conditions when states joined the Union.

Every agency and the rules they are directed to follow are sent down right from congress.

There are absolutely "Federal Public Lands" out side of D.C.

If what Bundy believed were true the 1872 mining law would not exist.

As the only place it has power is those very lands you and he say do not exist............

Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution gives the feds control of 10 square miles of Washington DC. It further states that land within the boundaries of a state may only be acquired if they first have the consent of the state legislature. The federal government is limited in it’s acquisition of land to four purposes, military forts, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings-------------------There was no military fort---arsenal---dock yard---or other needful buildings on this land. Having the Government dictate what they are allowed to do is in DIRECT opposition to the Constitution and Bill of Rights----and having a government court rule for themselves is a farce.

 

[M.E.G.]

01.11.18 – INTERVIEW WITH CLIVEN BUNDY AND LARRY KLAYMAN
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