Cazador Release: Maybe there's a reason Tesoro is Taking Their Time!

[Terry Soloman]

I'm sorry in advance for all the feelings I'm about to hurt but, this is just too good of a real world example of why you don't rush into throwing new machines on the market every other year..

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/white-s/509514-mx-sport-trouble-3.html#post5064749

Oh well, the post I originally copied was deleted. So, here is the gist of my point. Whites is catching hell for throwing a defective product on the shelves, and figuratively "shrugging their shoulders" when asked about it. So do you think RUSHING a machine to market rather than making sure your product is worthy of a LIFETIME warranty is prudent?

 

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[rob0260]

I don't think so. Losing customers is never good for business.

 

[austin]

They can't tell the truth. They either bought chinese and put there own labels on or they just got the chinese to do it for them, then ship to American markets. Name of the game is PROFIT.

 

[Rick K]

China? Bullpuckie! Whites screwed this up in the State of Oregon - USA. SAD BUT TRUE.

 

[kcm]

China? Bullpuckie! Whites screwed this up in the State of Oregon - USA. SAD BUT TRUE.

It's a continuing problem, and getting worse. Made in U.S.A. hasn't been the definition of "quality" for several years now.

 

[Deft Tones]

It's a continuing problem, and getting worse. Made in U.S.A. hasn't been the definition of "quality" for several years now.

I'd like to see Mitsubishi's take on a metal detector.

 

[kcm]

...Or Bosch? How's about Nokia??

 

[Terry Soloman]

It's a continuing problem, and getting worse. Made in U.S.A. hasn't been the definition of "quality" for several years now.

Hmmm... Anybody having ANY issues with their Arizona made, Arizona tough, Tesoro detectors?

 

[kcm]

China? Bullpuckie! Whites screwed this up in the State of Oregon - USA. SAD BUT TRUE.

It's a continuing problem, and getting worse. Made in U.S.A. hasn't been the definition of "quality" for several years now.

Hmmm... Anybody having ANY issues with their Arizona made, Arizona tough, Tesoro detectors?

Terry, please don't take what I say out of context. I was speaking in a general term; not an all-encompassing viewpoint. Many items that are made in USA are no longer of the quality they used to be. Why? Because as many of the American items are going down in quality, many of the Chinese-made items are going up in quality. Many, but FAR from all!! Many of the USA manufacturers have been forced to cut corners (cut quality) in an attempt to keep from going out of business. Most manufacturers that can, have already found their contacts in China or elsewhere. But many smaller companies just don't have the means or contacts to do so. So there are many such companies that are actually operating on a shoestring budget just trying to stay in existence.

When things were good in the business world, Tesoro had no problem fixing every single one of their machines at no charge, even if not the original owner. Now they have been forced to enforce their rules more closely. Does that make them a not-so-good company? Quite the contrary. They're still manufacturing in the U.S.A., and still competing. Will this continue? Only time can tell, but I certainly hope so. However, the original company brand that was spoken of in this thread was Whites. And while it seems Whites is still made in Oregon, it seems as though some of their products may no longer be up to par with previous models. That's sad.

I wish ALL American companies well, and I certainly wish (and pray!) that we could end up with a government that will remove some of the burdens it has created, while adding some burdens to foreign-made products. The USA used to be known worldwide for quality. Sadly that is not the case anymore. Let's all hope we can one day soon regain that status.

 

[Stoof2010]

I love my Tesoros!!!

 

[G.A.P.metal]

No problems here !
Gary

 

[GeoW]

Terry,
Do you have any info in fact concerning the Cazador release? Any factual info on the Cazador features and function??
Just wondering what the delay might be. Must be going to be a hotrod machine.
Perhaps deeper than the Vaq or Tej? Hope so!

geo

 

[Terry Soloman]

Sorry, I have nothing. I'm hoping it is a waterproof multi-freq machine myself.

 

[jld66]

maybe it is because the son is incompetent and can't move the business forward without his dad. this cazador and their public relations have become such a joke for those of us who do not worship them and think they can do no wrong. they even stopped their sponsorship on the other forum that they still refer you to on their own website. a forum where any negativity by anyone was soon deleted. so, negative comments were not the reason for that. yeah, what they have out now is decent. but, i would expect nothing from them anytime soon. maybe a coil or another groundbreaking color change that some will get so excited about. i think that is about all they are able to come up with. who cares about the new whites machine anyhow. this is the tesoro forum. so, lets not divert the attention from tesoros recent failure discussing the whites one. no online customer relations, ending forum sponsorship, no facebook page posts in years, no word on the supposed new machine since it was announced years ago. if you believe tesoro is still a vibrant and viable company capable of moving forward. you are off in a fantasy world somewhere. the saying "common sense is not so common" comes to mind. hope they can get it together. but, just dont see it without a major leadership change there. so, Terry. stop trying to pee in our ears and tell us it is raining. now thats some real "real world" thinking...

 

[steve1357]

maybe it is because the son is incompetent and can't move the business forward without his dad. this cazador and their public relations have become such a joke for those of us who do not worship them and think they can do no wrong. they even stopped their sponsorship on the other forum that they still refer you to on their own website. a forum where any negativity by anyone was soon deleted. so, negative comments were not the reason for that. yeah, what they have out now is decent. but, i would expect nothing from them anytime soon. maybe a coil or another groundbreaking color change that some will get so excited about. i think that is about all they are able to come up with. who cares about the new whites machine anyhow. this is the tesoro forum. so, lets not divert the attention from tesoros recent failure discussing the whites one. no online customer relations, ending forum sponsorship, no facebook page posts in years, no word on the supposed new machine since it was announced years ago. if you believe tesoro is still a vibrant and viable company capable of moving forward. you are off in a fantasy world somewhere. the saying "common sense is not so common" comes to mind. hope they can get it together. but, just dont see it without a major leadership change there. so, Terry. stop trying to pee in our ears and tell us it is raining. now thats some real "real world" thinking...

Just to let you know, on that other forum, saying anything positive about Tesoro will get you banned now, without warning, and complete threads have been erased.

Maybe you would be happier there now where trashing Tesoro is the norm?

 

[Sandman]

Sorry, I have nothing. I'm hoping it is a waterproof multi-freq machine myself.

I'd love to see a waterproof multi-freq detector too.

 

[jld66]

Just to let you know, on that other forum, saying anything positive about Tesoro will get you banned now, without warning, and complete threads have been erased.

Maybe you would be happier there now where trashing Tesoro is the norm?

not trashing tesoro. just saying what needs to be said about the reality of what most people think and do not say. i know this is the age of not saying that someone has there head up their butts or they are a screw up and a failure. we have to coddle them, give a hug, tell them they are fine and doing a good job when their not. all because we dont want to hurt their poor feelings. thats the problem with a lot of things these days. the kid there running tesoro is a failure and that is obvious. everything from social media to producing the new machine. its a metal detector, not a cure for cancer. come on.

 

[Terry Soloman]

Wow, glad you didn't trash Tesoro, jld66. How do you REALLY feel though?

 

[jld66]

Wow, glad you didn't trash Tesoro, jld66. How do you REALLY feel though?

actually on vacation and feeling great! haha

 

[steve1357]

I'd love to see a waterproof multi-freq detector too.

An economical waterproof Compadre would fit a lot of my detecting. I enjoy hitting the creeks and streams during dry summer months, and dodging rain during the cooler months.