Church Sign

[mjido]

I hope you can see this sign. I found this along with a number of others while doing some research on the lost mine called "The Spanish Queen in New Mexico.

 

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[CanadianTrout]

Bell?

 

[Shortstack]

A cross stuck on a mound or large boulder.

 

[Springfield]

Typical Hispanic christian cross on pedestal.

 

[Old Dog]

I concur Steve,
Cross on a mound.
Need to have more than one sign to have a serious chase.

 

[Shortstack]

A cross stuck on a mound or large boulder.

After a little more thought; this could mean there's a cross etched into the top of a boulder; somewhere near the mine you're looking for.

 

[feather]

Post a few of your other signs that you say you have found and, maybe a picture or two of surrounding area. I think it will make it easier for those with knowledge to help you as they'll have a little more to go on. Sometimes a sign on its own says nothing and works in conjunction with something else in the area.

 

[minetres]

You are correct this symbol is telling you of a church mine in the area.

Minetres

 

[Springfield]

You are correct this symbol is telling you of a church mine in the area.

Minetres

How do you know this carving wasn't merely done by some good catholic - like hundreds, maybe thousands scratched in the rocks all over the southwest that are easy to find on trails, near native American petroglyphs, at springs, old camps, etc? Are you saying that cross=mine?

 

[mjido]

Right, according to some folks this sign=mine. A gold mine was noted in this area according to a local legend that became "lost" during the 1680 revolt. Seeing the real carving, you could note three small crosses, which were very faint within the building below the cross.

 

[Springfield]

Right, according to some folks this sign=mine. A gold mine was noted in this area according to a local legend that became "lost" during the 1680 revolt. Seeing the real carving, you could note three small crosses, which were very faint within the building below the cross.

And the three crosses are even more of a typical Hispanic christian tribute (Jesus with two others at the crusifiction) - you find even more of these than you do the cross/pedestal. Heck, it's even the symbol of NM's 2nd largest city - Las Cruces. Nothing too exciting here.

 

[rangler]

Minetres, you wrote....

You are correct this symbol is telling you of a church mine in the area.
Minetres

Yes you too are correct Minetres, this sign was the mark for
Chruch Mine/Treasure since the very beginning of Spanish Code
Let no one diminish the finding of this sign..The cross looks like
it is on a mound, but it is really a xxxxxx shape, plain and simple.

I do agree with Thom too that by itself it is most likely a single
devote 'paying penitence' by carving this sign...among other
forms of genuflection on stone by the faithful.

However, in proximity to a Mission or Chruch, this sign takes
a whole new meaning.....certainly not to be dismissed out of hand.

Same with the Trinity Crosses they ARE used in Treasure Signs as well
as "stone honorariums' by those with a need to chisel these marks to
leave something behind..
Just trying to help...
Au2u2
rangler

 

[mjido]

rangler,

Your right there is a mission/Pueblo in the area. By the way, this is long, long ways from Las Cruces. Exciting, maybe not to some people, but it was, along with some other signs, to us!

 

[Old Dog]

best of luck with your chase.

(I somehow knew there were other signs)
LOL

 

[rangler]

mjido,
Great news! thanks for the confirmation - it always feels good !

Now for next set of signs, I suggest that you take a compass
heading on the sign...see which Cardinal Point you are on.
Then if you will , let me know what that degree is.....

Also step back and take pics of the entire boulder that you
found this sign on..at the correct 11-1pm time frame, depending
on where you are...the sun may be too far below the 300 degree
peak (summer equinox) to show, but still zoom in on that rock and
look at every square inch to find either numbers or letters or both.

Good luck , thanks for posting the pic of a GREAT sign..and let us
know your progress.
happy to help
rangler

 

[mjido]

Hi Rangler, It looks like it will be spring or later before I can get back up the the country where these signs are, as soon as the first snow falls the Forest Service closes most of the roads into the back country, but be asured, I sure will try to get back up there in the spring.



Jim

 

[Old Dog]

In the last picture ...
Is this sign associated with the first sign?

It would be pretty cool if it is.
This sign says ...
"One more sign that marks the entrance"
or
"One more sign before the goal"

Have the signs been getting smaller?
Note the cross inside the small circle ...
The last sign should be this size.

 

[cw0909]

in pic from post #15, with the yellow marker,looks like someone survyed for some reason,
at least it looks like a cap set

my uncle past away, a few weeks ago, and he had the plat survey map, i went looking for the markers,
that are stated on the plat as, 5/8"REBAR WITH CAP SET. and the fourth one i found was drove into a
large boulder on the mountian side,and it looks like the one in the link,
but then there are prob dif types, of those cap sets

http://www.stakemill.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=3975
http://www.stakemill.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=76_668

 

[mjido]

Right, I believe this have been surveyed before, but have been unable to find out anything about it. Now, this sign isn't very far off the side of a dirt road. By placing a small stick into one of the drilled holes it kind of pointed in the direction of the other signs, which, by the way was a few miles away.

 

[Springfield]

mj, I really like the top photo in post 15 above. I believe many carved clues are topographic in nature and therefore your rock may have real promise. If it were me, I'd be looking at the ridge tops in the vicinity of your clues for a notch in the tree line. I don't know about the rest of the alterations on the rock, or your other clues or the part of NM you found them in either, but the notch reminds me a lot of the one in the photo below - quite a landmark if one is looking for it.