Colonial Coin Spill, Rat Tail Spoons, Silver, and a Brass Kettle Point to Boot!

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This will be a very hard hunt for me to top! It was actually a few days ago, but it's taken me this long to finish preserving the multitude of pewter pieces and I couldn't bear to not post these finds in their entirety. Be warned, there are going to be a lot of photos!

The site itself is an enigma, and I'll explain more later on, but suffice to say I had no idea what I was about to stumble upon. All of these finds were within a 10 foot by 12 foot area and most were in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Everything was so tightly grouped that I would pull a target out of a hole and swing over it again and get a second target a few inches to the side. Two spoons and one shoe buckle were in the same (extra large) plug!

This is the compilation shot of the hunt:

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The coin spill was incredible, but I didn't even realize it was a spill until I finished digging and realized that all of the coppers were within a 1 foot circle. By the end I had dug two Connecticut coppers, a 1770 King George III, one slick, and one quarter sized copper I blieve is an Irish evasion token.

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Above are the two Conn coppers. One is full thickness and the other very thin so I imagine the thin one is a later date (1787-1788) when they were minting them on lighter planchettes. It unfortunate that the site is literally next to a stream so the moist ground did a number on the copper. Fortunately all but one were identifiable, but I could only get a date off the KGIII.

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It's actually a nice KGIII and before the ground action probably AU.

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Above is the smallest copper which was a mere 1 inch below the surface which I think protected it from most of the water action. Its slick, but not terribly corroded. The back has the faintest outline of the Irish harp and the lettering around the bust seems to be "Georgius III" From my research I think it's an Irish evasion token which might account for the small size.

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There was one piece of silver during my hunt, and it's my first Spanish silver from the reign of Charles IIII! It's well worn, but the date seems to be 1801. It was 4 feet from the main spill though, so I don't think it's directly related.

This hunt also produced an extraordinary number of complete Artois shoe buckles, including a matched set of three which is incredible.

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One of the brass buckles is bent, but the other two are in great shape and one even has part of the iron chape intact! From the detail, it's clear someone spent a lot of time carving each one of these. Also I'm particularly proud of myself for recovering the large pewter buckle without damage. Those high-curved buckles are insanely delicate and if I'd even torqued the plug the wrong way it would have shattered. I ended up soaking it in Elmer's glue, but it seems to be stable now and some of the etchings even survived!

The pewter spoons also took repeated coats of glue to stabilize and clearly didn't fare too well in the ground, but to find almost full rat tail spoons was completely unexpected!

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The two most complete ones were in the same hole, but the fragments of the third (or possible more) were scattered all about the site. One seems to have a maker's mark or design at the tip of the handle on the bottom side, but strangely the other does not have the mark.

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These are a few more pieces of pewter I managed to save from disintegration. Two buttons, one of which has nice detail left in the bullseye design. The ornate piece looks like a fragment of what must have been a stunning buckle, but this was the only part I recovered.

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As you can see I finally found my own set of colonial cufflinks! It's nice to cross something off the bucket list among all the other treasures. :laughing7:

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The bell is fully intact, and somewhat plainer than the ones I usually find (no engravings or etchings) which makes me think it could also date to the late 1700's. It's just amazing that there's absolutely no trace of corrosion inside or out.

Despite all the amazing targets I dug, an iron relic is one of the favorites:

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This pair of scissors was in the middle of the coin spill and actually right below one of the coins. I tumbled it to remove the crust and did a boiling wax treatment to seal them and I'm quite pleased with the results. It's such a simple artifact, but to hold almost 250 year old scissors is amazing.

Last is my absolute favorite find: a brass kettle point!

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One of the reason's I'm so grateful for Treasurenet is because in reading fellow detectorist's postings, I actually know what artifacts like this are when I stumble across them. I have no idea how it came to be were I found it (in the middle of late 18th century artifacts when it's likely mid 17th), but the design is unmistakable. I'm a good ways away from Connecticut so it's possible that this point meandered for decades until it was finally lost in New York. It's also possible it was a souvenir held onto for years after the King Philips war. It's impossible to know, but the possibilities are what's fun about this piece.

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There were a few other odds and ends, but surprisingly few buttons considering the other relics dug. I love the tombac with the drilled shank because of how the toolmarks on the back look. A little lemon juice and it shined right up! I also found what appear to be two coins formed into makeshift washers. If that's the case they were hammered well past the point of identifying them.


Despite all of the artifacts recovered, I'm still not sure what this site actually was. It's adjacent to a foundation hole that I've detected for over a year now, but the small number of recoveries around the cellar are exclusively 1810's to 1860's and I was getting the distinct sense that it was a barn or mill; not a single colonial piece until this hunt. And what's also interesting is that through all of the plugs I dug to get these relics, only two small fragments of pottery were found (the two in the photo above) and no clay pipe stems. I gridded the area all around this patch and found absolutely nothing. Up the slope behind it, nothing. The hillside to the left, nothing. Even into the riverbank there were only a few modern bullets. Whatever this site was it was restricted to little more than a campfire circle of space.

Here's a sketch of the surrounding features:

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This could have been a campsite that travelers used after fording the stream or even a spot to dry off if they capsized their carriage. I suppose it could also have been a little trading post, but I would think that there would be more relics scattered about. I'll be hunting this area more in the coming weeks so hopefully I turn up additional relics, but this will be a hard act to follow!

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Epic hunt. you don't see that many good targets pop out of the ground in one hunt very often. Keep pounding that spot hard.
 

Array of stunning finds ! Scissors is a prize relic you don't get to see intact , only pieces . Buckle is frightening ! Mercy ..... you tore that place up junior
 

Yow! What a blast you must've had. Dream site.
 

Damn that’s a lot of colonial goodness! That one shoe buckle is a stunner! Nice job pal
 

First off congratulations on an outstanding hunt :thumbsup: That had to be a non stop thrill ride! Looking at the finds and the sketch, I can't help but toss out a theory on the spot. With the other dwellings in close proximity, perhaps this was the site of a temporary shelter while the permanent dwellings were under construction? Another thought is there may have been some type of shelter there for travelers to wait for the river level to go down so they could cross, which could sometimes take days. That is if it's on high ground. Also, if this was a river ford, it was likely also an Indian ford prior to that, which might explain the point. Always fun to speculate on these kinds of things.
 

Can you say BAMMMM!!! Beautiful saves :occasion14:
 

Holy!!!

That will be a hard hunt to top. Congrats on all the epic finds.

You found more shoe buckles than some people have in their lifetime.

Great research!!
 

First off congratulations on an outstanding hunt That had to be a non stop thrill ride! Looking at the finds and the sketch, I can't help but toss out a theory on the spot. With the other dwellings in close proximity, perhaps this was the site of a temporary shelter while the permanent dwellings were under construction? Another thought is there may have been some type of shelter there for travelers to wait for the river level to go down so they could cross, which could sometimes take days. That is if it's on high ground. Also, if this was a river ford, it was likely also an Indian ford prior to that, which might explain the point. Always fun to speculate on these kinds of things.

Thank you! I agree the speculation is always part of the fun. It's not particularly high ground, but I think a native American camp/ford/trading post is a distinct possibility. To that end is it possible the larger piece of ceramic I dug is native made?
 

Wow,that was an awesome adventure. And if most of those items came up in a 6by6 what will comeup when you finish that site?
 

Great hunt and excellent post! Colonial coin spill and those shoe buckles are sweet, throw in Spanish silver and a mini hoard of relics, congrats! I tend to avoid stream and creek banks as they seem to always be loaded with modern trash washing in from floods and bullets from hunters looking for clear site lines.
 

Wow, now that was a sweet hunt. Thanks for sharing the photos and good luck on finding more relics.
 

Awesome ! Those are the types of hunts us cellar hole hunters dream about because in reality, they are few and far between. Congrats and enjoy that memory of an epic day detecting!
 

Such a nice hunt with a variety of great finds! How exciting! Thanks for sharing!
 

Great hunt, love the buckle and and the spanish.
 

NOW I KNOW WHY MY DOCTOR PUT ME ON CRESTAR........ DAMN WHAT RELICS FROM LONG TIME AGO . PEWTER RAT TAIL SPOONS BUCKLES NEVER SEEN ON TNET BEFORE JUST ALL PERFECT HUNT> WERES MY NITRO ,FEEL WEAK. ,
 

Wonderful hunt. I also believe your piece of bowl is native American. The "redware" of the period would not have the brownish cast to it.
 

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