Colonial digs - Brass, Glass and Lead - ID needed for pewter button.

HomeGuardDan

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My good pal and hunting buddy Bill and I got out twice in the last few days for short 4 hour hunts at our recent colonial honey hole. On Sunday we started out gridding a tight area that we felt confident would produce a few goodies – this was my day of teases. First I managed to locate and partially dig a nice looking pit. Quickly I saw a large shard of Milk Pan (early 1700s) in the bottom and for an instant I thought (due to the size of it) I would recover the entire piece. It was not to be – but I did locate enough of it to feel confident that at a return trip it can be sifted and pieced back together.


Second – I dug the first 2-piece button from the site (most everything has been pre 1800) and this one looked as if it was going to be a nice military button – instead I saw flowers. Third – at the end of the day I dug a nice 23mm pewter button with what looked like a number on the face – immediately I thought REV WAR!!! Instead I saw a dog surrounded by a ring of dots. The pooch looks to be a bulldug of some sort. It is a pewter button that is constructed VERY similar to some regimental buttons – any ideas from the experts across the pond? I managed some nice odds and ends throughout the day and totaled 13 buttons.

Yesterday we got out again for a quick afternoon hunt that yielded some volume but in patches. All in all I dug 29 buttons in about a combined time of 7 hours of digging along with probably close to 100 pieces of lead and buck-balls. I recovered a few pieces of shoe buckles, spectacle buckles, thimble and the top portion to an early candlestick. The trade weight was also a nice find that is not always commonly found.

This site has tons of small caliber balls from .36 to .45 and almost all have crude molds and sprus. I dug a few of the “clippings” and lead bars used for molding in one area – they are cool to find but I have never seen them in such volume as I do here. 75% of the balls I have dug from the site are all early – very few modern bullets and buckshot.

One unique piece that I did dig was a pewter disk – on one end is a raised design that looks either like an eagle (bird) or perhaps a four-legged critter (horse). On the reverse is a series of horizontal and vertical lines that looks etched in. Not certain, but just goes to show why you should clean everything off and not just consider it trash. As we have mentioned – this place is loaded with pipe stems and pieces – the right pit will certainly pay off in the future.

HH

Dan
 

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matt092079

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He said sell for millions, so you're suggesting you could go out next hunt, dig another handful of relics and something worth 5 million dollars and not sell it? I think your comment was just for fun because as much as I think it's great for someone to have an appreciation for what they find, i also don't believe anyone who says they would not sell a find for a pile of cash, and it doesn't even have to be millions. You said you didn't sell one yet, well let's keep our fingers crossed and maybe some day you'll be put to the test. :) For the record I've sold plenty but kept a lot more, and early on the money did play a role in my decision, but not so much now. So for something I really like it would take a lot to pry it away from me, probably a lot more than it was worth in some cases, but if an offer came in like that it would probably be gone. I also hope to be tested, many many times! :headbang:

Not to be high and mighty or anything - selling is honestly up to the person. I don't judge anyone for their decisions. I have found quite a few items that I have been offered serious cash for over the years ($4K+) and have yet to let any of them go (to my wife's chagrin). Now every man has his threshold - I am sure if I found something that was extremely valuable I would entertain an offer for the right amount - but it would have to be a ton.
 

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It would be hard to sell something, but if I had an offer in the 5 to 6 to 7 digit range I'd highly consider it.
 

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Not to be high and mighty or anything - selling is honestly up to the person. I don't judge anyone for their decisions. I have found quite a few items that I have been offered serious cash for over the years ($4K+) and have yet to let any of them go (to my wife's chagrin). Now every man has his threshold - I am sure if I found something that was extremely valuable I would entertain an offer for the right amount - but it would have to be a ton.

Yes 4k is a good amount, but not serious money, and I have both sold and kept things for more than that amount. There's certain things I know I would keep up to about 20k, but higher than that I know the wheels would start turning. I think it's easy for people to say they would not sell anything, but if they are ever so lucky to have huge offers for a find I believe the vast majority would change their mind. And it's not selling out on history, it's moving that history along to someone else who can enjoy it, and making the quality of your life better. At the end of the day it is just metal!
 

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Yes 4k is a good amount, but not serious money, and I have both sold and kept things for more than that amount. There's certain things I know I would keep up to about 20k, but higher than that I know the wheels would start turning. I think it's easy for people to say they would not sell anything, but if they are ever so lucky to have huge offers for a find I believe the vast majority would change their mind. And it's not selling out on history, it's moving that history along to someone else who can enjoy it, and making the quality of your life better. At the end of the day it is just metal!

At the end of the day, it is just money. :tongue3:
 

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Money is what puts food on the table and a roof over your head, a coin or relic you just look at. Pretty easy choice for some. :tongue3:

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Thought I'd chime in on this subject as well. Like Dan, I've never sold any relic but did get talked into selling a Canadian coin I dug years ago. It was the ultra rare 1875H dime, and I later realized it was worth far more than the selling price. Definitely learned a lesson on that one. I'd say it would take a mid-5 or 6 figure price tag to get me to even consider selling an artifact I'd dug. As long as I'm healthy and in my right mind I want to continue to enjoy the relics I've recovered and the stories behind them, and to be able to share them with others. Since my kids don't have any interest in my hobby or finds I may start giving away, donating, or possibly selling selected items when I'm way up there in years. But for now I'm very happy holding onto and displaying everything I bring home from the fields.

The largest amount I've heard of an acquaintance selling a dug item for was the copper Maryland denarium 2 good friends of mine found that sold at auction for $43,000. And in that same field a short time later they dug a Maryland silver four pence groat that sold for around $8,000. They agreed to split the money on both coins which was an amazing gesture, but something I would definitely do myself if I was ever to find an ultra-valuable item when hunting with a partner. That's about the only option in that scenario as the "joint custody" thing Dan mentioned would be difficult to work to everyone's satisfaction .... haha.
 

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Not sure why you think pewter, because the item with a fox on it, is the end of a riding crop, but if so, it should have a single central broken off pin.
 

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Thought I'd chime in on this subject as well. Like Dan, I've never sold any relic but did get talked into selling a Canadian coin I dug years ago. It was the ultra rare 1875H dime, and I later realized it was worth far more than the selling price. Definitely learned a lesson on that one. I'd say it would take a mid-5 or 6 figure price tag to get me to even consider selling an artifact I'd dug. As long as I'm healthy and in my right mind I want to continue to enjoy the relics I've recovered and the stories behind them, and to be able to share them with others. Since my kids don't have any interest in my hobby or finds I may start giving away, donating, or possibly selling selected items when I'm way up there in years. But for now I'm very happy holding onto and displaying everything I bring home from the fields.

The largest amount I've heard of an acquaintance selling a dug item for was the copper Maryland denarium 2 good friends of mine found that sold at auction for $43,000. And in that same field a short time later they dug a Maryland silver four pence groat that sold for around $8,000. They agreed to split the money on both coins which was an amazing gesture, but something I would definitely do myself if I was ever to find an ultra-valuable item when hunting with a partner. That's about the only option in that scenario as the "joint custody" thing Dan mentioned would be difficult to work to everyone's satisfaction .... haha.


For 43k I'd have a good clear picture of it in a very nice frame. I think quite a few of us have found things worth a few grand, but I'm guessing very very few have dug a find they could sell for 10k or more.
 

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Not sure why you think pewter, because the item with a fox on it, is the end of a riding crop, but if so, it should have a single central broken off pin.

Thanks Cru - will take a look at it. I am pretty sure it is pewter (or some sort of a lead compound) the edges are already cracking away - similar to other pewter buttons I have found. The shank or attachment is gone on the reverse - but correct it might be that.
 

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I'm 99% sure, but only seen copper-alloy versions, no reason why it couldn't be pewter, I guess.
 

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I'm 99% sure, but only seen copper-alloy versions, no reason why it couldn't be pewter, I guess.

Thanks - I have seen a few now that look similar - guess that is what it is. I am fairly sure it is pewter - thanks as always for your insight. Hope you are finding some goodies over there as of late.
 

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I liked Dans idea of giving them a deal but having a clause that you could go visit the item on occasion :-)
 

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For 43k I'd have a good clear picture of it in a very nice frame. I think quite a few of us have found things worth a few grand, but I'm guessing very very few have dug a find they could sell for 10k or more.

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Man you guys are tearing it up. I'm so jealous right now I can't wait to get out again, this winter has been a cruel one.
Keep it coming HGD I get great satisfaction on seeing what you and Bill are getting up.
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