Confederate Treasury

[Salvor6]

Beale has not given us an update since last Aug. Whats up Beale? Also I read in the Records of the Rebellion that on April 3, 1865 Lt. William Parker and cadets from the Confederate Naval Academy took the treasure from Richmond to Danville and then southward. Is this accurate? I heard some local treasure hunters say that the treasury was placed aboard a blockade runner in Cedar Keys to take back to France. The vessel sank somewhere in the Gulf with all the gold. What do you think about this?

 

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[armchairQB30]

Mr Scubasalvor,

Is there a link you could provide to read about the story behind this?

Thanks

 

[oldhermit34]

Now that's an update. Thanks

 

[armchairQB30]

Mr Beale,

What are the major obstacles to recovering this treasure? Thank you for the update/overview of this very exciting tale from the civil war? I am now hooked. On to your website.

 

[armchairQB30]

Mr Beale,

Why would the city not commission a team with private funding to go and get it? Are you saying that you found it and now the city of Danville knows where it is and they dont want to get it because of the potential problems it would entail? Why not play the game, donate a percentage to the city, establish a mueseum, establish a trust, put together some mutually beneficial deal for all parties involved? What would it take to get caretakers rights? What in your opinion are the underlying issues that make the city of Danville not cooperate with you? Do you have artifacts, relics or proof to show? I deal in a world of making the impossible....possible. Please post your thoughts.

Thanks

 

[armchairQB30]

Does the city of Danville know where it is?

 

[armchairQB30]

You do not think that the treasure ended up in Washington, GA?

 

[armchairQB30]

Why do you think the treasure stayed in Danville and did not go to Washington, GA?




What about Danbury, GA? What about Abbeville, SC? What about the CSA soldiers dressed as Union Officers in a conspiracy to take the treasure that they were charged with guarding for themselves? What about southerners who were given the treasure for safekeeping? What about plantation owners who were wiped out by the civil war out and of the blue had millions of dollars and moved to France or Washington DC? What about trusts set up by a certain wealthy woman that supported southern orphans? Were the coins the famous double eagles? Is this why the government claims them even today? What about a certain former CSA General who died a millionaire in Nova Scotia, Canada? What about a former CSA General who died in France and refused a pardon?

Is it possible that the city of Danville does not want the mystery of the lost treasure brought to a closure because it would cost them tourism dollars?

Just thought I would ask a few questions?

 

[Salvor6]

Beale, thank you very much for your information. Here is a link to the article I saw about the treasury; http://www.americancivilwar.com//tcwn/civil_war/Naval_Timeline/Civil_War_Naval_Timeline_1865.html. I think part of the treasury was sent to David Yulee and he shipped it to France out of Cedar Key. The boat never made it to France. Tell me where the treasure is located in the cemetary. I will dig it up at night and split it with you!

 

[gldhntr]

quote '' The Confederate Treasury left Richmond with $27,000,000 in hard specie or bullion''

another ''Specie in large amounts were never keep in Richmond''

kind of doesn't quite jive does it ?....they did or they didn't ?

''which I might add was arranged by President Jefferson Davis and General Robert E. Lee of the Northern Army of Virginia.''..../////////.....another mis statement....lee informed davis it was only a matter of time and that he {davis} should start preparing for the eventual evacuation......lee was in the field keeping the wolves at bay......

''Specie in large amounts were never keep in Richmond, "They were hidden away in the Country," according to Secretary of the CSA Treasury, Memminger.''....////////////////..memmingers mid 63 report stated more or less ''we have on hand , at this time, not counting the amounts in the depositories, 460 million, hidden in the country''......i am quite sure that unless told by some researcher like myself you would have no idea what amounts were in the depositories, which by the way is quite a bit more than what was hidden in the country..do you even have a vague idea as to just how many depositories there were in the Confederacy ?.......thought not....

''In Mid-February there was $65 Million dollars in the Treasury Vaults in Richmond,''.//////////////..sorry, wrong again

''secrecy was made as large disbursements were made to points south and west, some was shipped towards Lynchburg, Virginia on the Tennessee Raillines. A large portion ended up in Lynchburg and was cached there as well ''....//////////////////...vivid imagination.....two seperate unprinted diaries, one of a soldier/guard at the richmond train station, and one of a treasury dept official, both state that ALL trains leaving from the treasury dept,{ heavy and with strong escort i might add} after march 1, 65 went SOUTH.....

''When Richmond was finally evacuated as I said there was then at that time $27,000,000 in specie and bullion on hand plus another $2,300,000 in New Orleans Mint Gold (57 kegs, 2,000 $20. gold pieces to a keg plus 3 kegs of silver) that arrived the morning of the evacuation by J.P. Hawkins that worked for the Southern Express Office based in Charlotte, North Carolina. The gold had been shipped now for the last two weeks from Charlotte, North Carolina''........///////////////.....i thought the acid tests were in the late 60s...i must be mistaken as this is pure halucination......how did you arrive at these outrageous sums ?......also hawkins arrived as the city was being torched if i am not mistaken, which would place his arrival after the evacuation as a diarist that was one of the last across the james told of watching the city being put to the torch.......also was wondering where the 57 keg story came from ? hawkins diary tells of arriving in richmond with 40 boxes of coin, and 5 safes contents unknown.....

''The movement of the funds or the New Orleans Gold from Charlotte to Richmond by J. P. Hawkins can be found in his diary. J.P. Hawkins arrived that morning with two wagons loaded with gold. After his delivery Hawkins learned of the evacuation and went to Major General Breckenridge, a former US Vice-President about what he was to do about the Southern Express Shipment of gold just made that morning. Breckenridge suggested he deliever it back south towards Charlotte ''.....//////////////////.........jp hawkins diary tells no such story.....he never mentions new orleans, or even gold for that matter...if memory serves me he refers to his load as coin and/or specie, never mentioning gold or silver....and if i remember correctly he was in charge of 5 or 6 wagons....have you ever thought to figure the weight of 2.3 million dollars back then in the gold coin you mention here ?..two wagons ?...from charlotte to richmond in the rainiest season as recorded in many records......right............hawkins was ordered to charlotte, and was on his return to richmond, and he tells as much in his diary..........

'' Inside these two wagons were five safes for the safe keeping of the money. These safes and their contents of near $5 Million Dollars in Gold were delivered to Danville and cancelled in the river city. Hawkins diary says he delivered the five safes and gold to his boss, Mr. Bates of the Southern Express Company in Charlotte, North Carolina. (MR. Bates home where President Davis stayed on his journey from capture ) But I know that the gold was hidden in Danville, Virginia and for a good reason.''......//////////........as if the weight of your fairy tale gold was not enough you add the weight of 5 safes...so now there is 57 kegs of 2000 gold coin each, {each weighing what an ounce}.not to mention your kegs of silver....the kegs are carried in the safes....i bet they were big safes ?..how many horses and just exactly how large ?..33 hands high and around 3000 pounds each i would hope........a safe that you could fit possibly 6 -18 inch nail kegs in back then only weighed 500-900 pounds...or more..not counting your gold weight of around 7850 pounds and silver weight of your 3 kegs, so you have in the neighborhood of 11- 15,000 pounds in two wagons....oooookay..........hawkins diary, his letters home, personal papers, none mention 5 million, 2.3 million, any other figure, gold, silver, what was in the safes, kegs, etc etc...neither do any other records.....he states 40 boxes of coin or specie AND 5 safes contents unknown..if the coin was in the safes how would he have surmised 2.3-5 million, kegs, etc as he would have been told only what he needed to know, which was the safes would have been very valuable...and real big........he also was ordered to and did pick up a safe in route to danville, which belonged to pickett of ''picketts charge'' and that made the total go up by the value of 1.............hawkins also, after leaving danville, spent the next 16-17 days in greensboro nc before proceeding to charlotte...

''Can anyone else see that this was what made the SOUTH lose the war along with the disruption of communication.''............///////////.........the South lost the war for one reason only, lack of replacement soldiers....grant could replace any amount, which was a reason he fought as he did, headlong, without a thought of the losses.......replacements were nothing to him..he could replace every 1 killed with 2 if he wished.......Lee on the other hand had none,..when he lost a soldier, he was down by one more......a short look at the rosters of the opposing armies at wars end proves this point....

''Now about Captain Parker and his middies. Captain Parker was sent along to guard the treasure from Richmond. He says he never saw the coin.''..........////////////..........i bet he never did see the coin....a diarist in this unit of middies tells plainly about taking control of the ''treasure train'' and leaving richmond...he also tells that immediatly after crossing the james river that they were disembarked from the train, and stood on a siding there till 7-8 more trains passed, and then one finally stopped to let them board..they guarded nothing........parker also tells that ''other than the amount removed for the use of the govt,, the rest never left the train''....impossible, as i proved to you years ago atwell, the tracks changed gage here...

''There were 50 kegs, one was left on the train because John Hendren busted the head off of one keg while they were in the Treasury Building to exchange silver for paper money at an exchange of $60. in paper to $1 in silver. The Richmond residents did not want Mexican Silver Dollars they would only except US silver dollars,''........//////////........this event happened in danville

''All the other clerks had left Richmond the night before with larger shipments of specie and bullion destination Danville, Virginia.''................/////////////............not so joe..

''
Micajah Clark carried the CSA Treasury what was left it to Macon, Georgia and then back to Abbeville, South Carolina where Captain Parker turned it over to General Breckenridge. Breckenridge placed Basil Duke in charge of the treasure. Duke being close kin to John Morgan of Morgan Raider's. Duke protested to General Breckenridge that he did not know how much treasure there was and there was no time for an inventory. Breckenridge sympathized with him but told him it was now his job. A young officer by the name of Cole (he was also one of the one armed personal guards of President Jefferson Davis) pillaging through the boxcars in Abbeville found a sack of gold coins that had been missed by Duke and his men while unloading the train. It was hidden under burlap sack cloth, after this Breckenridge ordered more troops of different units to guard the treasure, so they could observe each other. Still there was a robbery of the CSA Treasury while camped on the South Carolina side of the Savannah River. Four wagons got away, one had on board a rather large cedar chest of gold coins. This is were the story of the Chennault Crossroad Robbery was born.''..................////////////////..............what other stories only known by you need to be added to our history ?.......research has basis in fact and is not the sum of many storys in a blender therefore i will not even bother trying to straighten most of the rest of your misguided posts out for you.............but i will comment on this.....

''If you noticed in this post I did not mention the Virginia Bank Gold of over $500,000, the reason being it was left and buried in Danville, Virginia also. The story about the Robbery near Chennault Crossroads in Georgia was made up as well as several other stories to protect the concealment of the CSA Treasury. The History Channel, A&E even made a movie about the robbing of the CSA Treasury Gold or the Virginia Bank Gold near Chennault Crossroads----THE VIRGINIA BANK GOLD NEVER LEFT DANVILLE, VIRGINIA!!!!''................//////////////////...............with all the news articles, records of several united states {yankee} military units, several u s govt offices, bank records, diaries, personal remembrances and such pertaining to this portion of the specie leaving richmond and being in a safe in washington ga, surely you don't even in your wildest historical dreamland believe this never left danville ?........according to your countless stories i am to beleive that ALL the specie and ALL the records of the Confederate govt are ALL buried in danville ...not counting the specie, do a little research on the tonnage of records leaving richmond...just where did they put the dead people ?..what exactly was burned at several sites along the route south with the millions of Confederate money ? what was on the train that was found abandonded i believe in alabama, the same train that the Confederate Constitution that now resides in special collections in that state was found in ?....tons of records ?....yes........a little misguided to say the least.....


''There were also two wagons from the Charlotte Mint found in the woods there near the Pacelot River.'' ...........////////////..........there were also 6 wagons of bank $ found in the woods near millidgeville ga, quite a sum off the tracks near hillsboro from new berne banks, i think 200,000.00 or more in ga woods from tennessee banks, etc, etc...so whats your point here ?...........

''What are the major obstacles to recovering this treasure?''...........////////////..........his only obstacle is me, todd hall, the man who actually found what treasures are in danville..i found it through research, proved it with no less than 12 different electronic surveys not even counting the colorado group..the last set of surveys done by a group whose credentials equal or exceed franks school of mines atwell..you want to contact them also and tell them i ripped you off like you have done previously ?...my research is handwritten by the people responsible for the burials, not some made up fairy tale like you have been reading on the previous posts on this thread.......and for everyones info, its not all there as you probably surmised...actually its only a very small portion.....the 49 kegs of silver left danville exactly 12 years after the war, being retrieved by a group from massachutess from the spot it was buried ....and the person responsible for the burial was not named ott, nutt, nor even trenholm.......after locating these treasures i contacted frank carroll, the author of confederate treasure in danville, to seek his help in dealing with the city...he always thought he knew the spot..i let him continue to think he was right....we met with the city several times.....frank, wanting to be the citys saviour told them, behind my back, where {he thought} it was....they immediatly didn't want to deal with me any more...then they wouldn't even deal with frank, as they thought they held all the cards....atwell posted on an older thread that my research was no good and that the city had turned down my research..well, they never saw it or heard it.....they had no interest in it..no interest in all the research i had concerning missing parts of the citys history...all they wanted was a location...period.....they got one from frank....i just backed out of the scene grinning, as i knew i held all the cards........atwell then teamed with frank and last i heard he {atwell} was near forcibly removed from the city managers office and nearly arrested.......the city even circled the spot on their map and put a $ sign beside of it.....a fellow historian bought a copy of one and showed it to me........and for everyones information especially yours atwell, i have been contacted twice in the past week...seems like between 2006 when i went public, and frank and you made your outlandish claims of ownership, even telling the city where your treasure was, and now, the city has had time to have some electronic surveys of their own done....and do you know what they prove ?...there is absolutely nothing in the spot you and frank claimed as your treasure location.....which means not only do i get the last laugh, you and frank have proven to the city and several others that the location you had was completely wrong, which means, when i finally do dig, neither of you will be able to lay claim to a thing, as you were wrong, just as i have told you for years....it will also show to many, what i tried to show to these people here before you had my posts deleted, that when i was trying to warn them from buying into your schemes, it was with good reason........and dig i will, as they would not be contacting me unless there were no other options, and there aren't...you call me this, that, liar, backstabber, etc..you tried acting as if i was an employee of yours,, you threatened lawsuits, ....for your information our partnership ended well {years} before 2006, right after the second large hole dug from your erroneous and in the clouds research..it was after this that i started to really take a look at your word, your research, etc...as an example, beale, you rant about how you have all the beale codes broken, selling too high priced vhs regarding beale..your research proves he existed, your research proves the other actors existed,, you offer to sell maps concerning the site of it, you state in a thread beale story was a hoax,, now you state it might just be a Confederate treasure, yet, you state all the Confederate treasure is buried in danville..a magazine article by you relates the Confederate treasure is buried in a dentists mothers yard on green st in danville...they ended up threatening a restraining order against you to keep you away..now you are offering for sale for $10,000.00 a copy of a map that can be seen for free or bought for less than 80 bucks....$10,000.00, and it doesn't even have an XXXXXXXXXX to mark the spot .....to bad i didn't research you beforehand i could have saved myself a lot of trouble , time, and $.....should have listened to my wife to begin with.....todd hall.......gldhntr

post note;;;;i am sure you will respond with all types of garbage so i am letting you know now, i will not be responding, am not inclined to argue with, well,* i think i will let the people here decide what i mean........if you cry to the moderators to have this deleted as you did my previous posts concerning your outlandish claims then so be it...if not, then maybe a few that do not know you will be able to figure it out for themselves, either by asking around, researching into you a bit, or at the very least it will attach the same doubt to your name as your b/s posts have attached to mine......only difference being i do have honor, integrity, and the ability to do my own research, proper..........regards..t

 

[gldhntr]

scuba salvor i would advise reading over my previous post before committing to any digging on direction from beale/atwell...first off, he knows not where it is, second, well, i don't guess theres any reason to post the second, or any other reasons.......todd hall....

 

[armchairQB30]

Mr Hall,

You stated that you have found some treasure, could you show some pictures of what you have found? Thanks.

 

[gldhntr]

no pictures.....yes, i could post several in ground scan pics from 3 different peices of equipment, one of which is in use by the fbi, of iron boxes 2 ft by 3 ft, that just happened to be found in the exact spots a certain peice of paper in a certain safe deposit box said they were put......it also tells whats in them, although the scan pics don't quite show it......no big deal...i know ,so it doesn't really matter...its all irrevalent until it sees air.......you want to see the story relating it {well a rather short, condensed from 22 minutes airtime article} here is a link.......''
:

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5502663

or, just google my name, and Confederate Treasury........

albert, i see you are asking around for gpr...ha, go for it...you know as well as anyone lyle lacy would love to bust you there with detecting equipment now...maybe while he has you jailed someone will dig it up for you..and for your information, gpr, will show you a mass of metal, which will look exactly like iron coffins in use at the time will.....and that will not get you anywhere with anyone.....been there, tried that...did better...and better.......

oh that brings me to another thing you are trying to sell....the ground resistivity unit.....you have advertised that it will show gold inside of iron pot....not so, nor will it show you in sandy soil, around bricks, too dry soil, and every peice of quartz will show up as gold, along with a few other things.......basically good for locating tunnels/caves only as far as i am concerned............i am sure your post about it was an accident, like the time you were selling a broken detector as good, or a plain map as rare, or information that really wasn't yours, etc, you get my drift...........

i also see that, unless i missed it somewhere, you have deleted your map for sale for $10,000.00 since i posted the truth about it, when, yesterday?, that it could be seen for free, thanks to me,, or purchased from unc for a pittance........i think {if i were you}, i would have left it, then maybe someone would have bought it, and then someone, {you} who is running a 1 million dollar game {if thats what you call it} on this site {in order to sell questionable maps/info}, lives in a 70s model singlewide and works 20-35 hours a week making peon wages building pre fabs, might be able to get your contest winner to settle for the 10 grand instead of sueing you.......you should have given up a couple years back when you were looking for investors for two house properties {i think it was 25,000.00 then} where your beloved treasure was {that time}..i know of at least two people that are glad they contacted me before going any farther on that one...you still wanting to buy them ?..surely not....so lets see, the dentists moms, no, the church, no, these houses, no, those houses maybe, no, oh look, someone found my treasure. it was still there in the cemetery where i left it..i think i will claim it..its mine...i am the only person in the world that ever looked for it...its got to be mine.....downright pathetic.....

and for your info, there were 24 holes dug...24 graves to be more exact...now, do you actually think all this is going to fit ? maybe not word for word but still the same, and from your posts, '' ALL THE GOLD< ALL THE SILVER<ALL THE RECORDS OF EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT< ONE BILLION< TWO BILLION< #&!! MAKE IT 50 BILLION..ALL THE JEWELRY< BULLION<COINS<GOLD TEETH OF THE WHOLE SOUTH< IS YOU MOUTH WATERING YET ? IF SO JUST BUY A BOOK< BUY A MAP<BUY A TICKET<BUY A FEW HOUSES< SOMETHING< ANYTHING>'',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,see the point i am getting at here ?.....its not hard.....

here is a link to a peice of information about the TENNESSEE $ found in georgia boy....i would have posted the several pages of actual records relating to it but since you say it didn't happen, okay it didn't, i am stupid.......the records and articles happened though....research it yourself..the records can be found using the info found on this link.....;;;

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B01E2DC1138E033A25756C0A9629C94649FD7CF


albert, i would not quote your so called research to a 1 year old....your book is useless, mostly the ramblings of someone whos read way too much, and then added in what was needed to make it all sound just right...''i got beales map''...''i broke all the codes too''..........right...and i will be the pope tomorrow.......

regarding what was found outside millidgeville, that information came straight from the o.r., not from some copyright you drew with a pencil........

i said i would not reply, but i did, mainly to post the link above so you would have to admit to yourself you don't know where every cent was, and also so you would know that at least $240,000.00 of your {ha} dear treasure, never made it into the hole you seem so possessed with..the hole thats wrong......you might want to subtract that from your total for future reference......the rest of this post is primarily because i am sick to death of leaches who can't do it themselves, and everyone else seems to be the ones paying for it.....every time anyone finds anything the leaches show up, making claims, spouting lawsuit, anything to get into something they have no part of....everytime someone with $ dies they arrive, doing the same....friends, family, it doesn't matter, theres a big deal and they want a part...........happened when the atocha was found, central america, doc noss's treasure, and damned near every other treasure thats ever been found..the leaches came......be it people, companies, governments, or, as usual, all of the above..........look on the internet, you will find many leaches, selling things that don't work, things they don't have, books and vhs that are useless.......you get the point ?........and this WILL be my last post on the subject......anyone thinks anything i have posted is ''crooked'' like beale/jeffdavis/atwell posted above, feel free to contact me about it and i will either provide link to record or copy my copy and mail to you....i don't deal in b/s.....toddhall...


i think i posted the wrong link to your research info request concerning tennessee $ in ga.... if the one above isn't it try this one

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A05E3DA163AE63BBC4D53DFB066838E679FDE

 

[armchairQB30]

What if it could be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the treasure did get to Washington, GA? What do you both think of that? What if some of the treasure was still in Washington, GA?

 

[gldhntr]

one more time folks.....lyle lacy has never caught me...and i have performed several, don't need anymore..never bothered a thing there......so, jp hawkins was carrying around 5 safes, each 2 ft by 3 ft, with 57 kegs of 2000 double eagles each, inside , according to your research ? okay....did you notice in his diary that he mentions gold and safes up until he left richmond, after which he only refers to safes ?....noo, i am sure i am wrong there too....as for me asking you to buy anything in regards to hawkins, why would i ?, as most of the diary was online up until it was sold a few years back and free for anyone that wanted it.....and jp hawkins never bought any hotel, that was j h.......another point well made concerning your great research....good job..
.....on the locator, you consficated nothing...you came to my house to borrow it....i still have the long probes and reciept marked paid in full in the name of hall, not atwell...when i called to get it back you started into psycobabble about 1300 bucks....yet when i told you to pay your part of the other bills, which were quite a bit more, you took a case of amnesia, thought people bring trackhoes, bobcats, dump trucks, and operators from one state to another and spend 2-3 days for free.....i figured it was worth the 1600 bucks i hade in the mll plus the much larger bill i paid to the excavation co. to be rid of you and left it at that......you threatened lawsuit, till your lawyer made you see you had not a leg to stand on......good riddance...

you posted the map wholehartedly hoping someone was gullible enough to buy it, just like you are hoping they will buy your new map, or whatever you are selling this week....you said it right, i saw it as ANOTHER con game......

when i met you, you had a site...''the site''...you found it not by research but in about an hour with your treasure gizmo...at that point i had been researching this for near 5 years already.....i knew absolutely nothing about your gizmo..you seemed pretty confident and certain so i became involved....we dug, nothing there, no big deal....then your gizmo says its next door......we dug, nothing there, no big deal but really starting to wonder now....next you decided it was somewhere else...we talked, you were certain, and i told you that i didn't have the cash for another dig...i also told you to make up your own mind concerning it and if you decided to dig, you would have to pay, and that i would pay you my part at a later date...you decided yes....we dug, nothing there,,,,i never recieved your part of the excavation bill which i had guaranteed, so i paid it..as your half was more than what i owed you, i didn't pay you your part of the mll deal....and you still ended up with it...so what are you crying about ?...you are well ahead at this point....
too late but this is when i decided to check into your gizmo...i realized it was trash, its builder a con, and should have looked at carl morelands website well before......i am now quite knowledgable about the different types of equipment and also the trash gizmos......all the while of this i also decided you did not know anything about treasure hunting, research, morals, etc and decided that was it.....not to mention your gizmo never not once pointed into the cemetery.......and at that point that was all the hunting you did, pointing that trash around......period......you must have finally guessed its worth a couple years ago after taking carls challange, losing what 40 out of 40 ? and proclaiming it was useless..............
frank put all his info in the book...he to this day thinks its all in the same plot...he told the newspaper as much ,,,,,,,what you shared with me was a bunch of useless geneological census bull and letters between frank and a well known historian regarding green hill........frank gave me no information other than whats in his book..thats all he had.....i stole nothing from him...i took him to the meetings, and when done, he took me by this place, that place, a bank for sale telling me we could but it to store cache, all kinds of crap........the only thing i have that belongs to frank is a book on the 18th va, and if he were not feeling too guilty to contact me and ask for it, i would gladly send it back.....the map i took, i brought there...i took it because it was mine.....anyone can go to the engineers office and get one...it even has your and franks spot outlined and marked $......if it is such a worry, go get him one...8 bucks i think...if he complains about the price tell him to subtract it from the cost of the 7800.00 wheelchair i provided him with to be able to get him to the city offices........i don't even know what a mariners glass is, have never seen one that i know of, and do not have one.....you have never heard me say i would choke the poor man, unlike yourself.....you are pitiful man.....
the contracts on franks computer are franks contracts...i have never tried getting him to sign anything....i asked him what he wanted for his help..he said 5 %...then he said nothing....why would i need a contract ?....the contracts you saw are most likely the contracts he had drew up regarding his book sales and what he was trying to give me and my wife.....i wanted none of his $ and never signed contracts.....i offered to deal with city for 30 %.....how could i give frank 20 %.....i would not even have had eb nough to pay the taxes on it.....all it amounts to is that you are disallusioned..you were not the one to be able to say ;;'' i did it''.....and its driving you insane........there is no use worrying about it ...its in the ground......i have informed masons, who are in control there in case you haven't realized, that masons, were totally responsible, and can prove it with names and records......do you seriously think they would do something that would point a finger at their organization as implicated in such a deed, especially in this day and time ?...theres only one way it will come up, and i guarantee you will not only know nothing about it, you will share no part in it.........masons have kind of always been a secretive group.................frank had nothing, just like you......i went there, showed him the scans, he asked '' was it here?'', i just agreed.......i did not need his information as it will not lead you to anything......when i went to him, i already knew the locations, and knew i was right, so what need would i have for information that leads somewhere else ?...
yes, i am a wolf in sheeps clothing....stay away from me....funny how i am so bad, yet you never see me selling worthless information, worthless eq, running game scams, con games, searching for investment $, etc.....in fact, most anyone thats ever asked, i GAVE them actual researched information, copys of records, books, links to records, and about everything asked for, for free.......thats how us wolves are.........

in regards to this quote from my earlier post

''..........there were also 6 wagons of bank $ found in the woods near millidgeville ga, quite a sum off the tracks near hillsboro from new berne banks, i think 200,000.00 or more in ga woods from tennessee banks, etc, etc...so whats your point here ?...........'''

in case you don't see, i am talking about two totally seperate finds in ga,,,,,read the story on the link provided........

i know the locations because i found something no one else could, and it told me.....as for your last paragraph or two, you are up on me by quite a bit, so is frank,...i'm not crying........why the #&!! are you ?

and if you think i am not man enough to look into your eyes boy, you know my address, and you have done the easy part, thats spouting all your bull from miles away....feel free to come on over anytime and we will take care of the hard part, right up close ..............now i am done here folks..i promise.................todd

armchair, a good deal did get to washington ga...if you search the new york times archiced papers for Confederate treasury one of the stories relates as much, and how/where it was stored...official records relate that much made it there, along with many other news stories, diaries and records...in case you didn't notice i said a very small part was in danville..most all of the records did too...there is also a story on n/y/times site relating how boxes of records were buried on the outskirts of abbeville and never recovered by the cacher..many other stories too....atwell here is the fellow relating how everything below the mason dixon belonging to the Confederate govt was buried in danville....i tried to make that same point to the newspaper and the television stations but each time they stated that i said the treasury was buried there...i never once have ever said that,,,only saying a small part....i know well most of it went further south...as for hawkins 40 boxes of coin, i doubt they ever made it to danville from richmond...reading statements in the diary seem to point to this as such.....todd

 

[armchairQB30]

What type of coins and what denominations were they? Can you provide a pic of what some of these coins would look like? What dates do you think they had? Were these confederate gold coins minted in the south or foreign coins? Are any of these coins in a mueseum somewhere? Can you provide some insight or links for the famous double eagle $20.00 gold piece? Was there a confederate double eagle along with a federal double eagle? I know these are really dumb questions but please educate me. Thanks.

 

[Crazy Greek]

Statement and question here.....

Interesting reading.........if you are into "You liar you" type of stuff. LOL

Why don't you both just make it easy and one of you go find what you say you have already found and provide the proof needed (through pictures), thus ending this debate once and for all? That would be a refreshing change, now wouldn't it?

This discussion (?) is a clear cut example of why it is so important to document, document, document and then verify, verify, verify if one is to ever "go public" with their findings.

Pretty simple really!

That's my statement..now for my question.......

If you two guys (Beale and Todd) have such a basic distrust and obvious hatred for each other, why do you even bother trying to have any kind of communication with each other?

Strange indeed!

 

[Crazy Greek]

First of all, thanks for the reply Beale.

Having said that, let me say this......My Dad always told me "there are three sides to every story...your side, my side and the right side."

Therefore, I will refrain from any other comments on this until at least one other side is explained.

Just seems to me that there are far better means of hashing this one out with each other than using a public forum...but that's just my 2 cents worth.

I truly hope you guys get your differences resolved.

 

[gldhntr]

well i thought about it long, hard, and seriously, for oh about 40 seconds...# 1..i am indebted to you in no way...your lawyer has informed you the same..you know it, no matter what you post here...you have a reciept you paid for 13whatever...you have a unit for which i have the receipt marked paid, in the name of hall, for around 3200.00...i also have a reciept marked paid in full for 3800.00 for excavations....so where do you see you have a leg to stand on to file claim against me ? hell, go ahead...i have told you that several times......
i have nothing to prove to you or anyone here....if anyone can't see through the smokescreen you try making with your repeated attacks against me, your repeated claims to things that don't concern you, your posts, deleted posts, altered posts, new posts trying to cover the ones you deleted, whining to have others posts deleted trying to hide the truth ,your repeatedly asking for $, your so called research, threats of lawsuits,etc,etc and see what the real deal is then i feel for them....i am not going to sit and squabble with you like i did my ex wife.....as i said before, its pointless.......about 3 times a year i can look forward to you starting this kind of crap again, then deleting parts, then sending me a pm like the one now in my box, apologizing, then 2-3 days later another round of crap due to my not wanting to join you in your venture.......then.......you say this '' Well everyone knows that I could not know what he knows unless we were working together. '''......./////.......mr atwell, if you knew everything i knew, ask yourself this : why do you keep trying to get me to join you for a recovery ?...why, because i hold the cards, i know it, you know it.....you can not make a recovery without my help because you know not where to start......simple...anyone with a 65 IQ should be able to see that....your repeated interference is only your effort to make sure you are involved in some small sick kind of way
you also say
''Come out of your conseated shell, Todd Hall, let us work together and recover this treasure, once and for all.''...........not conceited*, just do not need the help...yours, franks, none.....i know,, you do not...frank does not....right easy to understand...i CAN do it...you can't......end of subject...get over it.......
and as for the repeated acts of slander and personal attack on your behalf against me, its right funny, any little mis statement in any form from me is immediatly deleted by the moderators yet you can call me what you wish, say i am a cheat, liar, whatever, post my name, address, and beg for $ and your posts are never deleted except by you....right funny.....as i said, i don't have a thing to prove and could give a rats @$$ what anyone thinks......yes there might have been a mention of you in the paper....after the article came out {with no mention of atwell } and you sent a letter to the editor claiming all the gold in danville as your own i did send a reply in denouncing you for what you are....deal with it........todd hall

 

[RuffandTuff]

Mr. Beale, what is the scoop? Is there something buried in Danville or not? Is there something better than GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) for locating items that are buried deep? Technology is changing as we think. What is your take? Thanks, RuffandTuff (Central & Northern Virginia)