Construct, Explore, Colonize.

[bigscoop]

“Construct, Explore, Colonize.” These are the three basic principles of human expansion. First, one must have the infrastructure in order to support the quest. Second, one must acquire knowledge of the territories in question. And last, one must organize enough resources to begin the settlement process once an appropriate location has been determined. So when we look at new territories we must be able to effectively colonize in that territory with the required infrastructure and knowledge in order to succeed. Obviously, this does not happen overnight and it requires a great deal of advanced planning and resources, this being especially true if circumstances allow that our presence in this new territory may not be seen as desirable to other factions.


Infrastructure. If we want any chance to succeed then this infrastructure represents the most vital component in our quest for without it we would not be able to lend the required support for our efforts and we would not be able to support any type of stability, endurance and growth. So very clearly this infrastructure has begin to take shape long before we ever set out to explore with the intention to colonize. Defense, food, supplies, communication, the ability to pay for these requirements, these are just some of the elements that have to be prearranged long in advance of any actual settlement, and if this quest were to turn political in nature then a required infrastructure must also be arranged for and applied here as well. Obviously, this type of an enterprise would require the involvement of many knowledgeable, influential, and capable people. And of course, it would also require a great deal of money. So when we consider this required infrastructure it becomes apparent that the circumstances surrounding our quest will dictate the advanced “construction” of our vital infrastructure.


Exploration. This is something else that has to be done in advance of any actual attempt to colonize. The territory must be learned and understood and all of its potential threats and assets accounted for. Based on all of this information favorable sites must be located in advance of any attempt to settle and lines of communication and travel and trade support must be established, etc., etc., etc. Again, all of this requiring a great deal of time, organized infrastructure, man power, and money.


Colonization. This final step obviously represents a huge and constant undertaking, just the initial basic requirements demanding a lot of bodies, preparations, planning, transportation, money, and once this initial effort is in place it also requires continued support and planning if we want any hope of sustaining the effort and supporting additional growth.


In the end, as it might possibly apply to the Beale mystery, we are looking a huge enterprise that would have been dictated by the circumstances surrounding such an monumental effort. Yet, in 1816 that very enterprise was put into motion. One of the first obstacles in this enterprise was the lack of access to the territory in question, at the time St. Louis and New Orleans represented the only two sufficient points of entry, with both of these requiring extremely long passages to the east and southeast without any established resource in the west or southwest. In essence, this would then leave our effort to colonize in the desired region without any means of acceptable access or support, this lack of access from the west or southwest leaving our colony completely cutoff from that vital support it would require. Not only this, but it would also leave our proposed colony completely defenseless to any threats that might arise from the west or southwest. This problem presented one major obstacle, indeed.


This problem was eventually addressed by forming an alliance with capable resources that soon after took up position at Galveston Island. It was reasoned that with this port now in place that the proposed colonies to the north and northeast could be supported with supplies and trade, the two vital components for maintaining growth and the continued building of defenses, etc. As soon as this vital port had been established the colonization process could begin, as it eventually did. But does anyone still see another obvious huge and threatening obstacle in all of this?

PS: Keep in mind that behind every effort to colonize in new lands that there has always been, "a cause."

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

“Construct, Explore, Colonize.” These are the three basic principles of human expansion. First, one must have the infrastructure in order to support the quest. Second, one must acquire knowledge of the territories in question. And last, one must organize enough resources to begin the settlement process once an appropriate location has been determined. So when we look at new territories we must be able to effectively colonize in that territory with the required infrastructure and knowledge in order to succeed. Obviously, this does not happen overnight and it requires a great deal of advanced planning and resources, this being especially true if circumstances allow that our presence in this new territory may not be seen as desirable to other factions.


Infrastructure. If we want any chance to succeed then this infrastructure represents the most vital component in our quest for without it we would not be able to lend the required support for our efforts and we would not be able to support any type of stability, endurance and growth. So very clearly this infrastructure has begin to take shape long before we ever set out to explore with the intention to colonize. Defense, food, supplies, communication, the ability to pay for these requirements, these are just some of the elements that have to be prearranged long in advance of any actual settlement, and if this quest were to turn political in nature then a required infrastructure must also be arranged for and applied here as well. Obviously, this type of an enterprise would require the involvement of many knowledgeable, influential, and capable people. And of course, it would also require a great deal of money. So when we consider this required infrastructure it becomes apparent that the circumstances surrounding our quest will dictate the advanced “construction” of our vital infrastructure.


Exploration. This is something else that has to be done in advance of any actual attempt to colonize. The territory must be learned and understood and all of its potential threats and assets accounted for. Based on all of this information favorable sites must be located in advance of any attempt to settle and lines of communication and travel and trade support must be established, etc., etc., etc. Again, all of this requiring a great deal of time, organized infrastructure, man power, and money.


Colonization. This final step obviously represents a huge and constant undertaking, just the initial basic requirements demanding a lot of bodies, preparations, planning, transportation, money, and once this initial effort is in place it also requires continued support and planning if we want any hope of sustaining the effort and supporting additional growth.


In the end, as it might possibly apply to the Beale mystery, we are looking a huge enterprise that would have been dictated by the circumstances surrounding such an monumental effort. Yet, in 1816 that very enterprise was put into motion. One of the first obstacles in this enterprise was the lack of access to the territory in question, at the time St. Louis and New Orleans represented the only two sufficient points of entry, with both of these requiring extremely long passages to the east and southeast without any established resource in the west or southwest. In essence, this would then leave our effort to colonize in the desired region without any means of acceptable access or support, this lack of access from the west or southwest leaving our colony completely cutoff from that vital support it would require. Not only this, but it would also leave our proposed colony completely defenseless to any threats that might arise from the west or southwest. This problem presented one major obstacle, indeed.


This problem was eventually addressed by forming an alliance with capable resources that soon after took up position at Galveston Island. It was reasoned that with this port now in place that the proposed colonies to the north and northeast could be supported with supplies and trade, the two vital components for maintaining growth and the continued building of defenses, etc. As soon as this vital port had been established the colonization process could begin, as it eventually did. But does anyone still see another obvious huge and threatening obstacle in all of this?

PS: Keep in mind that behind every effort to colonize in new lands that there has always been, "a cause."

THIS is the "New Thread"...? With Jean Lafiitte (French by BIRTH), "G" Island, making way into "Texas", etc.? Well, "Texas" DID eventually become a REPUBLIC, after Texians "broke free" from Mexicans, etc. The LONE STAR State of CONFEDERATE WAR Rebels & KGC... HA!

 

[bigscoop]

THIS is the "New Thread"...? With Jean Lafiitte (French by BIRTH), "G" Island, making way into "Texas", etc.? Well, "Texas" DID eventually become a REPUBLIC, after Texians "broke free" from Mexicans, etc. The LONE STAR State of CONFEDERATE WAR Rebels & KGC... HA!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the confederate war, the KGC, or any of those other local and southern romances. But it does have a great deal to do with political differences and opposition. So for the sake of this one thread let's not confuse the era of the alleged Beale deposits with an era of Confederate War, southern opposition, that didn't take place until some fifty years "after the alleged deposits." So for the sake of this thread let's deal only with the identified era.

 

[releventchair]

Like avoiding Bourbanistic persecution?
Alabama became the nucleus of "old" France.
Until the British, (for what reason?) pinched the emperor, America was looking like his goal of direction as a type of refuge also.
The following article does not include his son we discussed before.

[As the Emperor had thought seriously of settling in the United States it was only natural that his soldiers and sympathizers, now threatened with death, should turn to America for refuge. Contemporary Paris newspapers estimated that a total of thirty thousand reached the United States during 1815‑1817. Among these were numbered some of Napoleon's most important officers: General Count Bertrand Clausel, commander at Bordeaux, who made the Duchesse d'Angouleme (granddaughter of the executed Louis XVI of France) a prisoner during the dread Hundred Days; Colonel Nicholas Raoul, who had accompanied Napoleon to and from Elba; Marshal Grouchy and his two sons; the two Brothers L'Allemand, who later founded the French colony of Champ d'Asile in Texas; and General Count Lefebvre-Desnouettes. As captain of cavalry and aide-de‑camp to Napoleon, Lefebvre-Desnouettes had fought at the Battle of Marengo. He had been made Commander of the Legion of Honor for gallantry at Austerlitz, and was conspicuous in the Battle of Saragossa. In that freezing, bloody retreat from Russia he sometimes had ridden in a sleigh at the Emperor's side. After arrival at Philadelphia, Lefebvre-Desnouettes became leader of his compatriots there.]


French Military Adventurers in Alabama 1818?1828

 

[bigscoop]

Like avoiding Bourbanistic persecution?
Alabama became the nucleus of "old" France.
Until the British, (for what reason?) pinched the emperor, America was looking like his goal of direction as a type of refuge also.
The following article does not include his son we discussed before.

[As the Emperor had thought seriously of settling in the United States it was only natural that his soldiers and sympathizers, now threatened with death, should turn to America for refuge. Contemporary Paris newspapers estimated that a total of thirty thousand reached the United States during 1815‑1817. Among these were numbered some of Napoleon's most important officers: General Count Bertrand Clausel, commander at Bordeaux, who made the Duchesse d'Angouleme (granddaughter of the executed Louis XVI of France) a prisoner during the dread Hundred Days; Colonel Nicholas Raoul, who had accompanied Napoleon to and from Elba; Marshal Grouchy and his two sons; the two Brothers L'Allemand, who later founded the French colony of Champ d'Asile in Texas; and General Count Lefebvre-Desnouettes. As captain of cavalry and aide-de‑camp to Napoleon, Lefebvre-Desnouettes had fought at the Battle of Marengo. He had been made Commander of the Legion of Honor for gallantry at Austerlitz, and was conspicuous in the Battle of Saragossa. In that freezing, bloody retreat from Russia he sometimes had ridden in a sleigh at the Emperor's side. After arrival at Philadelphia, Lefebvre-Desnouettes became leader of his compatriots there.]


French Military Adventurers in Alabama 1818?1828

There were many things that started to take shape as soon as these refugees started to arrive in the United States. A lot of other factors also being played out that come into play as well. This all begins with that vital infrastructure that is required before organized colonization can start to take place.

 

[bigscoop]

Let us assume for a moment that those Bonapartist and exiles here in the US did have a master plan for Napoleon's eventual arrival. Here's a few pieces of information that we need to consider.

During the period it was estimated that Napoleon would have little difficulty raising an army of 60'000 upon his arrival.


To the north he would have seen additional support from Canada.


New Orleans was already home to a strong Bonapartist faction and it was also home to many of those privateers who served in his campaigns.


In St. Louis it is nearly all French influence.


At Galveston Island a new port is being established and colonization has begun.


In the United states two other very important events are starting to play out, these being the looming bank panic and also the continued political debate over how to manage the Louisiana Purchase.


One proposed cure to the looming banking crisis is that all banks needed to be backed with hard currency, this policy in effect wreaking absolute havoc on those American Banks who could not accommodate this proposal, to which there would have been a certain financial crisis if endorsed.


Now let us look at St. Louis, a mostly French city, the only port city sitting on the west bank of that mighty river. In this city, at this time, there are French owned banks trying desperately to charter. So what would happen if these French banks had gotten charter and those two Beale deposits had ended up in these French banks? Now what if Napoleon himself had ended up in St. Louis with that well financed army of 60'000?


Right away Napoleon would gain control of New Orleans, St. Louis, and his rapidly growing colony at Galveston Island. And with this the entire Louisiana Purchase falls back into his absolute control.


“Construct, Explore, Colonize.”

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Like avoiding Bourbanistic persecution?
Alabama became the nucleus of "old" France.
Until the British, (for what reason?) pinched the emperor, America was looking like his goal of direction as a type of refuge also.
The following article does not include his son we discussed before.

[As the Emperor had thought seriously of settling in the United States it was only natural that his soldiers and sympathizers, now threatened with death, should turn to America for refuge. Contemporary Paris newspapers estimated that a total of thirty thousand reached the United States during 1815‑1817. Among these were numbered some of Napoleon's most important officers: General Count Bertrand Clausel, commander at Bordeaux, who made the Duchesse d'Angouleme (granddaughter of the executed Louis XVI of France) a prisoner during the dread Hundred Days; Colonel Nicholas Raoul, who had accompanied Napoleon to and from Elba; Marshal Grouchy and his two sons; the two Brothers L'Allemand, who later founded the French colony of Champ d'Asile in Texas; and General Count Lefebvre-Desnouettes. As captain of cavalry and aide-de‑camp to Napoleon, Lefebvre-Desnouettes had fought at the Battle of Marengo. He had been made Commander of the Legion of Honor for gallantry at Austerlitz, and was conspicuous in the Battle of Saragossa. In that freezing, bloody retreat from Russia he sometimes had ridden in a sleigh at the Emperor's side. After arrival at Philadelphia, Lefebvre-Desnouettes became leader of his compatriots there.]


French Military Adventurers in Alabama 1818?1828

VERY interesting "read"... THANKS!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the confederate war, the KGC, or any of those other local and southern romances. But it does have a great deal to do with political differences and opposition. So for the sake of this one thread let's not confuse the era of the alleged Beale deposits with an era of Confederate War, southern opposition, that didn't take place until some fifty years "after the alleged deposits." So for the sake of this thread let's deal only with the identified era.

Carry On, then...

 

[bigscoop]

One other thing to add here, this type of cross country planning and arrangements was all these Frenchmen had been doing for many years so it even fits right into their MO, as does the smuggling of contraband and the spoils of war.

 

[ECS]

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Now let us look at St. Louis, a mostly French city, the only port city sitting on the west bank of that mighty river. In this city, at this time, there are French owned banks trying desperately to charter. So what would happen if these French banks had gotten charter and those two Beale deposits had ended up in these French banks?...

In 1816, several merchants and fur traders formed the BANK OF ST LOUIS, and accepted FUR as collateral.
Those who formed this bank were Auguste Chouteau, Manuel Lisa, Barthlomew Berthold, Sylvestre Labadie, Moses Austin, Rufus Easton, and J B C Lucas, who was born in France, and was befriended by Benjamin Franklin during his stay in Paris.
Also to be noted, in 1817, George Hancock Kennerly, uncle of Julia Hancock, whom a certain duel was fought, started his mercantile business in St Louis.

 

[releventchair]

One other thing to add here, this type of cross country planning and arrangements was all these Frenchmen had been doing for many years so it even fits right into their MO, as does the smuggling of contraband and the spoils of war.

How would international events,uprisings and their cause and possible spread and worldwide power struggles fit in?
Spain was getting squeezed out of America and multiple countries seemed to be seeking allies with whom they could tolerate a risk with the most?
A state of flux ,and more than one country with shallow coffers. Heck ,what countries had the upper hand financially?
Most were warred out.
(All stuff Scoop has been over or hinted close to, but not clearly).
Why were the French loyal to the Napoleonic house allowed in America, and was it part of the expansionism game? If so how and by whom's allowing it and why?

 

[ECS]

George Hancock Kennerly and the Kennerly sisters had their merchantile straight across the street from Governor William Clark's residence.

...who was married to a Kennerly and Risqué neice, Julia Hancock.

 

[bigscoop]

...who was married to a Kennerly and Risqué, Julia Hancock.

Now think of that famous duel again. And while you are doing this consider where in these extended family lineages/trees (Otey-Buford) that Thomas J. Beale appears. In other words, who in the Beale family became part of these extended trees/branches through marriage? This is why I keep saying that the duel was not over insult to the girl per say, but rather it was due to political differences/beliefs. And where does Thomas Beale remove to shortly after this incident....New Orleans.

 

[ECS]

...and what were the "political" differences between Risqué and Beale?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

...who was married to a Kennerly and Risqué, Julia Hancock.

NOT sure about THAT; SWEET Julia HANCOCK was married to William Clark.. of the Lewis & Clark Expedition "fame"; MY "key focus" is on HANCOCK (of John HANCOCK - DOI). John Beverly Risque's wife was from the HANCOCK "blood line family", ALSO.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Now think of that famous duel again. And while you are doing this consider where in these extended family lineages/trees (Otey-Buford) that Thomas J. Beale appears. In other words, who in the Beale family became part of these extended trees/branches through marriage? This is why I keep saying that the duel was not over insult to the girl per say, but rather it was due to political differences/beliefs. And where does Thomas Beale remove to shortly after this incident....New Orleans.

"Thomas J. Beale"...? HA! NOT Thomas Beale, Sr. nor Capt. Thomas Beale of N.O.

 

[ECS]

NOT sure about THAT; SWEET Julia HANCOCK was married to William Clark.. of the Lewis & Clark Expedition "fame"; MY "key focus" is on HANCOCK (of John HANCOCK - DOI). John Beverly Risque's wife was from the HANCOCK "blood line family", ALSO.

Forgot to type in niece!

 

[bigscoop]

"Thomas J. Beale"...? HA! NOT Thomas Beale, Sr. nor Capt. Thomas Beale of N.O.

Keep looking.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Keep looking.

Eh...?

 

[bigscoop]

Eh...?

If you continue to explore all of the different branches of the Otey & Buford trees you will eventually encounter the name Beale through a marriage into one of these extended family branches.