Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
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Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
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piratediver
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Pat Croce is a great guy, I helped out with his pirate museum. We have a cool film project coming down the pike, I'll keep all posted.
Pirate Diver
Pat Croce is a great guy, I helped out with his pirate museum. We have a cool film project coming down the pike, I'll keep all posted.
Pirate Diver
Au_Dreamers
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Just another fine example of how private sector salvage is good for the world!!
Grats Pat!
Grats Jim!
Just another fine example of how private sector salvage is good for the world!!
Grats Pat!
Grats Jim!
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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You got that right Au, But misspelled Private should be Pirate
It's Interesting to read, how a Pirate is glorified ? I have read a few books written about the man and have a great interest in him.
His personal needs suited England as they where both jealous of Spain.
He hated the Spanish because he got poorly paid and badly treated when he was selling slaves to the Spaniards, Big mistake
PS mariner hows the book coming.
Ossy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ave-verge-Panama-coast.html?ito=feeds-newsxmlAu_Dreamers said:
You got that right Au, But misspelled Private should be Pirate
It's Interesting to read, how a Pirate is glorified ? I have read a few books written about the man and have a great interest in him.
His personal needs suited England as they where both jealous of Spain.
He hated the Spanish because he got poorly paid and badly treated when he was selling slaves to the Spaniards, Big mistake
PS mariner hows the book coming.
Ossy
capt dom
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
Has anyone ever heard the one about....
"HOW DO YOU MAKE A MILLION BUCKS IN THE TREASURE / SALVAGE BUSINESS
?" 
Does anyone know the answer
Good luck Pat!
If you read your own press.... give me a PM...
I can tell you about some interesting stories about the "good old boys" in Panama......
Has anyone ever heard the one about....
"HOW DO YOU MAKE A MILLION BUCKS IN THE TREASURE / SALVAGE BUSINESS
?" Does anyone know the answer
Good luck Pat!
If you read your own press.... give me a PM...
I can tell you about some interesting stories about the "good old boys" in Panama......
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Au_Dreamers
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
So now all private sector salvors are pirates?
Ossy surely you know one country's Privateer is another's Pirate. It just so happens this one was against Spain... oh wait now I see....
So now all private sector salvors are pirates?
Ossy surely you know one country's Privateer is another's Pirate. It just so happens this one was against Spain... oh wait now I see....
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
Just pulling your chain AuAu_Dreamers said:So now all private sector salvors are pirates?
Ossy surely you know one country's Privateer is another's Pirate. It just so happens this one was against Spain... oh wait now I see....
saltydog1733
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
Pat Croce and his National Geo crew have made a very exciting discovery. This was a serious archaeological mission-not a treasure hunt.
What an often repeated joke about treasure hunting, an astrolabe and a picture of Bob Marx have to do with the thread, I've no idea.
I look forward to reading more about this important find.
Pat Croce and his National Geo crew have made a very exciting discovery. This was a serious archaeological mission-not a treasure hunt.
What an often repeated joke about treasure hunting, an astrolabe and a picture of Bob Marx have to do with the thread, I've no idea.
I look forward to reading more about this important find.
Diver_Down
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Pat's obsession with Drake has led him to re-establish his Pirate Museum in St. Augustine across from the Castillo de San Marcos. Interestingly enough, an excavation was conducted this past summer about 2 buildings south of his museum. They uncovered what they believe to be the posts of the original wooden fort that Drake burned.
Pat's obsession with Drake has led him to re-establish his Pirate Museum in St. Augustine across from the Castillo de San Marcos. Interestingly enough, an excavation was conducted this past summer about 2 buildings south of his museum. They uncovered what they believe to be the posts of the original wooden fort that Drake burned.
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Interesting dynamics may occur in the next 2 years. 2013 is the 500th anniversary of Ponce de Leon landing in St Augustine. The Spanish government and other local groups are planning a grand celebration. Be a fine time for Croce and his chaps to parade the Drake relics into town and his museum. Sir Francis would be please that centuries later he could still irritate the Spanish when they least expect it!
Interesting dynamics may occur in the next 2 years. 2013 is the 500th anniversary of Ponce de Leon landing in St Augustine. The Spanish government and other local groups are planning a grand celebration. Be a fine time for Croce and his chaps to parade the Drake relics into town and his museum. Sir Francis would be please that centuries later he could still irritate the Spanish when they least expect it!
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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I have a few ideas 
If they find his remains, what will they do with themTeredo Navalis said:
I have a few ideas 
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
lets see drake was stealing from the spanish that were stealing from the south americans. I'm good with that.
lets see drake was stealing from the spanish that were stealing from the south americans. I'm good with that.
Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
Ossy,
If they do find him, hide that drum!
I have been too busy the past few months to do much in the the way of writing, but the next couple of months look reasonably free, so I will buckle down any minute now.
I did speak to somebody a couple of years ago who had been part of an expedition to find Drake's coffin. He said that the bottom of the bay was very muddy, but I guess it will vary from place to place. There is a fairly detailed description of his burial and the sinking of the two ships in one of the contemporary accounts, which has been reproduced by the Hakluyt Society.
Best wishes,
Mariner
Ossy,
If they do find him, hide that drum!
I have been too busy the past few months to do much in the the way of writing, but the next couple of months look reasonably free, so I will buckle down any minute now.
I did speak to somebody a couple of years ago who had been part of an expedition to find Drake's coffin. He said that the bottom of the bay was very muddy, but I guess it will vary from place to place. There is a fairly detailed description of his burial and the sinking of the two ships in one of the contemporary accounts, which has been reproduced by the Hakluyt Society.
Best wishes,
Mariner
VOC
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Was Drake burried ashore then dug up by the Spanish and feed to their dogs ?
Was there a conspiracy by his shipmates to cover up what they allowed to happen ?
Where did the lead coffin come from or the lead onboard to make a coffin from ?
http://www.indrakeswake.co.uk/
Was Drake burried ashore then dug up by the Spanish and feed to their dogs ?
Was there a conspiracy by his shipmates to cover up what they allowed to happen ?
Where did the lead coffin come from or the lead onboard to make a coffin from ?
http://www.indrakeswake.co.uk/
signumops
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
Somewhere I saw that his coffin was made of copper, not lead. At any rate, he may have simply been wrapped in sheets of lead and dropped over the side. Then again, maybe not...
Somewhere I saw that his coffin was made of copper, not lead. At any rate, he may have simply been wrapped in sheets of lead and dropped over the side. Then again, maybe not...
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
I say let him rest , as a sea dog he wanted to be buried at sea, The ship of the time carried lead sheeting to combat the teredo worms
they could have easily nailed then to a timber box.
Please keep me updated on your book.
Cheers, Ossy
Hi mariner, Fascinating subject Drake, there is some much written about him from fantasy to interesting facts.mariner said:
I say let him rest , as a sea dog he wanted to be buried at sea, The ship of the time carried lead sheeting to combat the teredo worms
they could have easily nailed then to a timber box.
Please keep me updated on your book.
Cheers, Ossy
Re: Croce & crew uncover Drake shipwrecks missing for 400-plus years...
Ossy,
I agree that his coffin should be left where it is, undisturbed. There was a proposal a few years ago to find it and to rebury Drake in Westminster Abbey, in London, but the UK Government and the British Navy were adamantly against the plan. In any case, they could not find the coffin.
Anyway, we know that he will be there for us, complete with his drum, if Spain try invading us again!!
Drake has been an endless source of fascination for me over many years, as has your countryman, Cortes, who deserves a much better press than he has got.
Best wishes,
Mariner
Ossy,
I agree that his coffin should be left where it is, undisturbed. There was a proposal a few years ago to find it and to rebury Drake in Westminster Abbey, in London, but the UK Government and the British Navy were adamantly against the plan. In any case, they could not find the coffin.
Anyway, we know that he will be there for us, complete with his drum, if Spain try invading us again!!
Drake has been an endless source of fascination for me over many years, as has your countryman, Cortes, who deserves a much better press than he has got.
Best wishes,
Mariner
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