England finds

[cudamark]

Here's some of the more interesting finds I had on my last trip to England. I'll post more as I get the time. I'm hoping someone knows what the hallmarks are on the spoon. Crusader? Red Coat? It seems to be Sterling as I see no plating coming off. It's mainly just dirty. I've got it soaking right now, so, I'll post an "after" photo once it gets cleaned up. I thought the 1680 Charles II 4 pence was just a pretty coin and not a common denomination I would think. The counterfeit 1823 George IV gold sovereign had me going there for a moment out in the field, but, I soon realized that my first gold coin will have to wait a bit longer!

 

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[cudamark]

Here's the obverse of the 1823 George IV sovereign forgery......

 

[Elvis]

Awesome. I would love to travel and detect. Congratulations

 

[Brendan75]

Hi Nice finds. Congrats

 

[Steve in PA]

Nice finds! A trip to England to detect is at the top of my bucket list.

 

[Squirrel322]

WOW 1680!!!

Very cool

 

[Hunk-a-lead]

awesome finds, way to go

 

[HunterMF]

I have always wanted to detect England! Great finds!

 

[CRUSADER]

I'll let Red-Coat answer the makers mark on the spoon. Doesn't look silver or a hallmark to me. (Probably all the plating came off)
The best find is a close call between your forgery & Fourpence.
Had a few forgeries but not a sovereign yet (had more sovereigns)
The Fourpence (often referred to as Maundy money, because some were given out in sets by the King/Queen) is not a rare denomination, as such but it is a very scarce find. That would have made my day.

 

[cudamark]

Nope, the spoon is just copper....I still wonder what the hallmarks mean though.

 

[CRUSADER]

Nope, the spoon is just copper....I still wonder what the hallmarks mean though.

Sorry to be a pain, when not made of precious metal a better expression is 'Makers Mark' (as this is not a hallmark), but I'm sure if you ask Red-coat it will be answered.

 

[Red-Coat]

Just saw this post. British hallmarks on silver would never look like that. Anything sold as 'silver' has for centuries, by law, been required to have a compulsory set of marks that follows a designated format. Anything outside the designated format will be silver plate or unplated base metal. Note that, over the years, a number of base metal alloys have been used as cheap silver substitutes and they can have proportions of copper up to about 60% such that they exhibit some yellowness. These were used both unplated and plated (to disguise the yellowness).

I can't help with the maker. The 'JBB' doesn't mean anything to me and the (crucial) first mark is worn such that I can't read it. I would be pretty sure it's British and not continental. That style is from a combination of the French 'fiddleback' handle amalgamated with OEP (Old English Pattern) 'finned' shoulders on the bowl, which appeared in England from about 1800 onwards... although I don't think the spoon will be as old as that.

 

[Coinstar magnet]

Interesting finds and great posts...
Thanks for sharing your finds..
I miss England...

 

[E-Trac-Ohio]

Well done !

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

What a great feeling it must've been to detect in England Mark.
Definitely something I want to do before I die.

The spoon you found looks similar to the c1890 brass 'fiddleback' spoons I find here in Ontario.
Dave

 

[cheffer]

Something I've always wanted to do, just for the chance to go further back in time. Awesome finds, really like that 4-pence!

 

[cudamark]

What a great feeling it must've been to detect in England Mark.
Definitely something I want to do before I die.

The spoon you found looks similar to the c1890 brass 'fiddleback' spoons I find here in Ontario.
Dave

Yup, it's a lot of fun, and a lot of work too! I go back in the fall after most of the fields are harvested. We hunt from about 7am to dark every day. That takes a bit of a toll on this old body, but, worth every ache and pain.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Yup, it's a lot of fun, and a lot of work too! I go back in the fall after most of the fields are harvested. We hunt from about 7am to dark every day. That takes a bit of a toll on this old body, but, worth every ache and pain.

I hear you bud, I'm 57 and I can only last about 6hrs in the fields now, getting old sucks and it hurts too.
I currently detect with a torn meniscus in my left knee, arthritis in both knees and my left shoulder... hey, but the pain is worth it to make the finds.

 

[pepperj]

Nice going on the silver and the forgery.
There's one thing about digging in the soils of England-it could be a few yrs old-or millenniums[FONT=arial, sans-serif] old.
I certainly have missed those fields.....[/FONT]

 

[pepperj]

Yup, it's a lot of fun, and a lot of work too! I go back in the fall after most of the fields are harvested. We hunt from about 7am to dark every day. That takes a bit of a toll on this old body, but, worth every ache and pain.

X that by 7/10/14 days and it starts to wear on the body.
How many trips have you done?