Father Arrested For Trying to Pick Kids Up From School

[diggummup]

To those who critisized my calling that parent an ASS, well it's obvious that none of you have ever dealt with brutalized, maimed, mentally abused and dead children who were removed illegally from playgrounds and YES, schools. Go on and run your mouths all you want. In actuality, you know absolutely NOTHING of what you speak except to appear to want to state some idiotic independence type BS line about being able to pick up your kids at school however you want to. REALLY!?? Well too, let me tell that one poster that for a fact, that yes, people have changed and many that have changed have not changed for the better. Again, I'm speaking from experience and not just like some, running my mouth with nothing to back it up.

As many of you will recall, who are old enough, back in the late 70's and early 80's the public was starting to wake up to a major problem in this country, the REAL problem of kidnapped children. There were two types of kidnapped children, stranger abduction and parental abduction. While the numbers thrown around were touted to be in the millions, in actuality there were about a million children a year taken and of that million kids, 70% were parental abductions. Parental abduction for those of you who like running at the mouth about what you don't appear to know anything about is when one parent or the other takes one or more of their own children, due to marital difficulties or a divorce in which they have already lost custody or figure they will lose custody in the near future, and that parent abducts the child/children to parts unknown and supposedly starts life over, never again allowing the other parent to see the abducted child/children.

Now, you might think like most people that, oh well the kids are with their parent, so what is the problem? Truth is that of the 1054 kids that my men and I located and/or brought home, close to 99% were physically abused badly! 100% were abused mentally!! A little girl with cigarette burns over most all of her body for not doing what she was told to do, as punishment. is a great example. You see, in order to stay under the radar with these children, the abducting PARENT would tell these kids one of three things to cover the absence of the other parent. Mommy or Daddy is dead. Mommy or Daddy will hurt you if they find you, or Mommy or Daddy will kill you if they find you. One of those three was told to the child in 100% of our cases.

In order to further conceal the child/children, the kids' names were changed, their hair was often died a different color, and the kids were denied ALL medical and dental care, for fear of exposing the parent and the children to the public and being found. In most cases the children were denied any school attendance too.

The abducting parent would often pair up with a boyfriend or girlfriend who would be abusive to both parent and the child/children in some rather gruesome ways too.

Oh and the non parentally abducted, just plain stranger kidnapped children, were bought, sold, and used sexually in some of the worst things you can imagine. Most were not recovered alive.

We never asked if a person who wanted to help was a Repub or a Democrat, we just took all the help we could get from anyone in the general public who would help us change state and national laws. We successfully were able, through speaking engagements to many various groups of people on both sides of the aisle, to get state laws changed and then through judges and DA's to get them to then uphold new laws to protect ALL children from state to state. The mai law that helped us with this was the UCCJA or the Uniform Child Custody Juristiction Act. That meant that custody papers from one state would be honored in all the other 49 states. Prior to that point, they were not. I very PROUDLY state to you that we also believe that we had a great deal to do with making it a felony level offense to abduct a child, as a legal parent, when you did not have legal custody in all states.

No, I don't believe like that pathetic MSNBC women does and I firmly believe that these are your children to take responsibility for and fully care for, however when those children are out of your sight and in school under the care custody and control of that school, that school or any other organization owes you and your children the assurance to keep your children as safe from ANY harm as possible. That includes MAKING SURE who takes your children from school and that that person has the authority to do so. If that means signing in or out, or showing ID to pick them up from school, so be it!! If you disagree with that, you are a damn fool and have no idea what is really going on in the world today! Stop critisizing the school for trying to keep your kids safe and back them up and cooperate as best you can. Hell, when you take your kids to Chuck E Cheese, they put a bracelet on them matching one on you and no one else can take them out of the store without that matching ID. Oh yeah, I also had great deal of imput on that particular one too!

I have seen the results from not taking these measures and they are not pretty. All things are not being done to take away our rights as parents and grandparents! Some are actually being done to help us keep our children safe from those who would harm them.




Because of what was done to improve and pass certain laws, your child or your grandchildren are now safer. Most people would say, "Oh that can never happen in my family because of my wife or husband, or son or daughter in law wouldn't do something like that"...UNTIL it happens.

You done yet? Feel better now? lol. I applaud you for the efforts you've made to prevent child abductions and kidnappings, however none of that applies here. Your comparing apples to oranges, in this particular case. Common sense was thrown out the window. That seems to be normal protocol nowadays. Everything is black or white, no gray. Crossville, Tn. is a small town. Now I don't know about where you live but when I lived in a small town, everybody knew each other and if you didn't know them personally, you knew someone that did. This wasn't some stranger that was attempting to kidnap a child. They knew that, they knew him already, yet they have their black or white rule that says you have to sit in a line of cars for an hour to pick up your child from school. What about the kids that walk to school, do they have to wait to be signed out by a parent before they can walk home? No. What about the ones that take the bus? Do they have to be signed for by a waiting parent when they get off the bus? No, I don't think so. This has nothing to do with missing or exploited children, it has everything to do with common sense or a lack thereof in the case of the tin soldier who felt the need to puff out his chest to show the he is the "bigger" man, Barney Fife style. This was about, i'm a cop, I have power and I can arrest you if I want, no matter how big and tough looking you are. Look at me, i'm the big man now. Period.

 

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[Old Bookaroo]

digummup:

You wrote "...they have their black or white rule that says you have to sit in a line of cars for an hour to pick up your child from school."

If it's a small town why does it take an hour?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[squiggy]

Don't like the one fits all of the public system?
Send your child to private school or home school!
Whatever works!

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[TheRingFinder]

Don't like the one fits all of the public system?
Send your child to private school or home school!
Whatever works!

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Most people can't afford private, and also have to work - so no home schooling either. They pay property taxes for the schools to function. Basic common sense would be. Those who have children in the school should make the rules about the school.

 

[Unclebuck257]

You done yet? Feel better now? lol. I applaud you for the efforts you've made to prevent child abductions and kidnappings, however none of that applies here. Your comparing apples to oranges, in this particular case. Common sense was thrown out the window. That seems to be normal protocol nowadays. Everything is black or white, no gray. Crossville, Tn. is a small town. Now I don't know about where you live but when I lived in a small town, everybody knew each other and if you didn't know them personally, you knew someone that did. This wasn't some stranger that was attempting to kidnap a child. They knew that, they knew him already, yet they have their black or white rule that says you have to sit in a line of cars for an hour to pick up your child from school. What about the kids that walk to school, do they have to wait to be signed out by a parent before they can walk home? No. What about the ones that take the bus? Do they have to be signed for by a waiting parent when they get off the bus? No, I don't think so. This has nothing to do with missing or exploited children, it has everything to do with common sense or a lack thereof in the case of the tin soldier who felt the need to puff out his chest to show the he is the "bigger" man, Barney Fife style. This was about, i'm a cop, I have power and I can arrest you if I want, no matter how big and tough looking you are. Look at me, i'm the big man now. Period.

diggummup,

I live outside a very, very, small town, so small that two school districts are combined into one because neither one individually has enough children to support a school district. Yes, I am also very familiar with whgat you mean by knowing everybody else. We do here in my rural area as well. My question to you is, "What's that got to do with anything we're discussing?"

Any school district is responsible for the care, custody and control of all children while those children are in school and in the school district's care, custody, and control during school hours. School hours for the purpose of this discussion reasons are from the moment the child arrives at the school until and when the child is released to their parent(s) after school is over. In order to maintain order and child safety at any public school, there are rules in place to insure that the child/children are accounted for during the school day and at the end of a day when that child or children are released to go home. That applies even to a parent known to school personnel. If the regulations of the school district say that in order to take your child out of school prior to the normal time or proceedure, ie; waiting in line like the other parents, you must sign a form and/or show ID, and as a parent you know this, then all this guy that was arrested was doing was trying to cause a problem just so he could prove some stupid point. That parent was in no immediate emergency type of hurry, nor was he willing to follow well defined proceedure. Believe me, my grandaughter goes to PreK at the small public school I mentioned earlier and BEFORE school ever started my daughter was advised in her parent pre school meeting of the rules for picking up her daughter early if needed and how a normal dismissal took place. By that I mean I mean waiting in line in her vehicle to pick up her daughter after school and how her daughter and the other children would be escorted, one at a time, to theire parent's vehicle as that particular parent pulled up in that line of awaiting vehicles to get their children.

The parent who was arrested OBVIOUSLY knew the rules at his small school district too, but decided that day for whatever reason that he wasn't going to follow those rules. I really don't give a fat rat's behind why he did what he did that day and caused the disturbance he did. The fact is that he decided he was going to do it his way, even after being asked and then told by the school authorities and law enforcement on duty that he couldn't unless he signed his child out by signing the required form. If I were on duty as the LEO that day, the fact that he refused to sign the required forms would immediately send up red flags for me, and I'd be thinking, why won't John or Joe or Bob just go ahead and sign the required form? As this man continued to get more and more unruly, I'd have slapped the cuffs on him too and detained him.

Later after the other children had all been picked up, I may have sat him down and said, Joe, what's going on here? I may not have either, depending on how nasty and far Joe had taken it previously. BECAUSE JOE HAD TO KNOW THE RULES FOR PICKING UP HIS CHILD BEFORE he pulled what he pulled. The LEO could NOT have just left Joe do as he wished and was foillowing the law that was set in place to protect ALL the children.

Oh and further for your information, being a small town NEVER was a good excuse for not following the rules for child safety. Just as many children, nationwide, were abducted by parents or strangers from small rural areas as were taken from big city areas. In fact, it's easier to take a child from a small area because people there think like you and think that their "smallness and ruralness" make them immune to things of that nature so they let down their guards that much more behind that false sense of security.

When facts are known, it sure looks like those apples are apples and those oranges are oranges, and neither of the two got mixed up by anyone, except maybe you, and certainly not me!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

TheRingFinder:

Just how would that "basic common sense" work? Parents are not going to agree on that. Many are not experts.

Run for the school board if you want to influence what goes on in a public school. In my experience there are a whole lot more parents interested in whining and complaining then in rolling up their sleeves and going to work to make public education successful.

Go to a high school PTA meeting. Ask teachers how many parents come to conferences. Until the conversation is about the football or basketball teams, most parents are MIA.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Unclebuck257:

Excellent post! I'd give it a "Like" but I can't find the button.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[thrillathahunt]

Why would it matter dave? Did they adopt our Bill of Rights and Constitution? If not , who cares what they do.. but it is too bad for them.

Right. Who the hell cares what other countries do? I am sick and tired of all this socialist " It takes a village" crap!

 

[squiggy]

Totally agree Unclebuck
Some people thrive on making trouble and engaging in control issues instead of addressing things in a mature manner!

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[diggummup]

digummup:

You wrote "...they have their black or white rule that says you have to sit in a line of cars for an hour to pick up your child from school."

If it's a small town why does it take an hour?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Because they have made it this way. That's why.

diggummup,

I live outside a very, very, small town, so small that two school districts are combined into one because neither one individually has enough children to support a school district. Yes, I am also very familiar with whgat you mean by knowing everybody else. We do here in my rural area as well. My question to you is, "What's that got to do with anything we're discussing?"

Any school district is responsible for the care, custody and control of all children while those children are in school and in the school district's care, custody, and control during school hours. School hours for the purpose of this discussion reasons are from the moment the child arrives at the school until and when the child is released to their parent(s) after school is over. In order to maintain order and child safety at any public school, there are rules in place to insure that the child/children are accounted for during the school day and at the end of a day when that child or children are released to go home. That applies even to a parent known to school personnel. If the regulations of the school district say that in order to take your child out of school prior to the normal time or proceedure, ie; waiting in line like the other parents, you must sign a form and/or show ID, and as a parent you know this, then all this guy that was arrested was doing was trying to cause a problem just so he could prove some stupid point. That parent was in no immediate emergency type of hurry, nor was he willing to follow well defined proceedure. Believe me, my grandaughter goes to PreK at the small public school I mentioned earlier and BEFORE school ever started my daughter was advised in her parent pre school meeting of the rules for picking up her daughter early if needed and how a normal dismissal took place. By that I mean I mean waiting in line in her vehicle to pick up her daughter after school and how her daughter and the other children would be escorted, one at a time, to theire parent's vehicle as that particular parent pulled up in that line of awaiting vehicles to get their children.

The parent who was arrested OBVIOUSLY knew the rules at his small school district too, but decided that day for whatever reason that he wasn't going to follow those rules. I really don't give a fat rat's behind why he did what he did that day and caused the disturbance he did. The fact is that he decided he was going to do it his way, even after being asked and then told by the school authorities and law enforcement on duty that he couldn't unless he signed his child out by signing the required form. If I were on duty as the LEO that day, the fact that he refused to sign the required forms would immediately send up red flags for me, and I'd be thinking, why won't John or Joe or Bob just go ahead and sign the required form? As this man continued to get more and more unruly, I'd have slapped the cuffs on him too and detained him.

Later after the other children had all been picked up, I may have sat him down and said, Joe, what's going on here? I may not have either, depending on how nasty and far Joe had taken it previously. BECAUSE JOE HAD TO KNOW THE RULES FOR PICKING UP HIS CHILD BEFORE he pulled what he pulled. The LEO could NOT have just left Joe do as he wished and was foillowing the law that was set in place to protect ALL the children.

Oh and further for your information, being a small town NEVER was a good excuse for not following the rules for child safety. Just as many children, nationwide, were abducted by parents or strangers from small rural areas as were taken from big city areas. In fact, it's easier to take a child from a small area because people there think like you and think that their "smallness and ruralness" make them immune to things of that nature so they let down their guards that much more behind that false sense of security.

When facts are known, it sure looks like those apples are apples and those oranges are oranges, and neither of the two got mixed up by anyone, except maybe you, and certainly not me!

Nevermind you missed the point entirely and i'm tired and really over this thread.

 

[Chadeaux]

Don't like the one fits all of the public system?
Send your child to private school or home school!

Yep, home schooling is definitely an improvement over public school.

 

[Rawhide]

The problem is worse than reported. March of this year I was called 1700 miles for a child abuse charge against me involving my son who lives with his mother. This charge was filed by the school, it could not be done telephonically.

It cost me $1300.00 dollars to appear. Even though I have had no contact with my son for four years. I am a custodial parent. My son has been repeatedly abused buy his drug addicted mother who was in rehab at the time. The courted wanted to take my parental rights away from me, and had a arrest warrant for me to go to prison once I returned home. I was informed when I got there that there had been several court cases against me ex parte and my sons care plan had already been decided.

When I showed up for court, my lawwyer did not even bother to appear and we all were forced to wait. She also failed to file the appropriate motions to get me custody of my son. The case was immediately dropped as I was not expected to appear. If I had not shown I would have went to prison by the complaint I recieved.

The three days in town I was not able to see or have contact with my son. The State had wrongly removed him from me. All the while saying I could see him. I even contacted the local police to uphold the original court order. but was almost arrested myself in the process.

Somewhere out there is a 11 year old boy who is being abused, raised by a drug addicted mother living in a ghetto. Im out $1300 bucks but not in prison. The judge, prosecutor, lawyers were all women. When confronted with the facts they did not care how many judges had orders to the contrary. They even moved the court out of the originating county illegally and did not care. The Ohio Supreme Court would not hear my complaint. The child abuse is allowed to continue at the hand of this judge and her minions. This also includes children protective service, the schools, and CSEA.

This all started 2 years ago, with a school called Fish Creek Elementry in Stow. They was instructed to call me if my son needed anything. To this day I do not know where my son is, and the school has not returned my calls. You do not own your children, the state does.

 

[TheRingFinder]

TheRingFinder:

Just how would that "basic common sense" work? Parents are not going to agree on that. Many are not experts.

Run for the school board if you want to influence what goes on in a public school. In my experience there are a whole lot more parents interested in whining and complaining then in rolling up their sleeves and going to work to make public education successful.

Go to a high school PTA meeting. Ask teachers how many parents come to conferences. Until the conversation is about the football or basketball teams, most parents are MIA.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

OB - There you go again, no facts - Parents are missing in action? Where do you live, the bronx? Where I live, we have nearly 100% participation for PT conferences. "Many are not experts" - Oh please, who better to make rules for the kids than their own parents........Oh, I forgot, you are are so far left - you want the Government to take care of you and everybody else. Sad view on your part, very sad.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

TheRingFinder:

Your primary exercise appears to be jumping to conclusions.

You failed to explain just how your "common sense" approach would work. As H.L. Mencken pointed out, for every complex solution there is a simple solution that is wrong.

Yes, many parents are not experts on school administration. Or complex courses of study. Or the law.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[TheRingFinder]

OB - You quote Mencken, who has no authority on the subject. Beautiful, thanks for pointing out your ignorance on this subject, so I don't have to.

Common sense approach only needs to be explained to people who should keep quiet on the subject.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

TheRingFinder:

How many terms have you served on your local school board?

In other words, you got nothin'.

You betcha.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

PS: I didn't get the quote quite right. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

 

[Dave44]

TheRingFinder:

How many terms have you served on your local school board?

In other words, you got nothin'.

You betcha.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

PS: I didn't get the quote quite right. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

You misquoted it becaus eyou didn't understand it? But that isn't the point of this response.. It is your deprecating accusations. Tell us,, What you got? Oh that's right,, Nuthin.

You shouldn't attack members when you have a veneer as thin as yours.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

Your spin rivals Bull O'Really's? Are you going to be quoting The Paris Business Review next?

I misquoted Mecken because I did it from memory. Sometimes memory serves. Sometimes it double-faults.

Because I'm interested in being correct - and not, as you've stated your goal, "there is a chance it came from him still" - I looked it up, acknowledged my error, and presented the correct quote.

EOS.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Ronzie]

IMO anyone who is on the schools side is already programed.
I have 2 children and I'll take my chances in a free world not a bubble world.

 

[Unclebuck257]

IMO anyone who is on the schools side is already programed.
I have 2 children and I'll take my chances in a free world not a bubble world.

Ronzie, That's way too broad a statement to just lay down without further explanation. Are you talking about this particular incident or overall in general? Any responsible parent should stay deeply involved in their local school system and what is going on. What the children are being taught, the text books from which they're being taught, how the children are being taught and what values they are being taught is not something that responsible parents can just turn a blind eye to. These are totally different things than the original thread topic is about, but are more important things than the original thread topic.