First 2 hunts actually produce Woods Hibernia and nice military button. HELP w/ID PLS

[hogge]

The 1722 Woods Hibernia, (type 1), was actually found last Friday at a site we have been to about 20 times. But this time I had the T-2 with the 5" coil. My brother also found a coin, (not pictured here), which I think is a Voce Populi 1760. Has a counterstamp on the reverse which, I think is "I-B", but I'll have to look it up. That coin is almost worn smooth, but with moisture on it you can see details. The Naval button I could use some help with. Don't have an "Alberts" book, but would like to know variant is someone could ID. I know it should be 1810-30 timeframe. DigginitRTB found this yesterday. Great gold gilt on it. We usually don't find these like this in our area. HH......Hogge P.S. Back actually says....."FOR SEA SERVICE" maybe that will help with ID or dating and who produced this button.

 

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[hbeaton]

Hogge,

I don't have an Alberts book at all but some early research indicates your date range assessment to be right on. Looks to me like this button could be an "A.W. Spies For Sea Service" button. More than likely the words "A.W. Spies is the script above the shank on yours. It may also have the initials "JM" for Joseph Mann who made buttons for A.W. Spies. Spies comes from England in the early 1820s, as early as 1821 and as late as 1827, and settles in NYC where he opens a military goods shop (made guns, buttons, etc). Spies continues to be in business until roughly the late 1840s. Looks like he died shortly before the Civil War began.

I realize this does not help with specific variants etc but at least starts the process...

Looks like Steve in PA found one a little over 4 years ago and posted to TNET, here's that thread.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...ce-early-one-piece-navy-button-yesterday.html

HH!
-Hunter

 

[Ahab8]

Hogge is it 23mm?

 

[hogge]

23mm could be the size. It's too small to be 27-28mm.

 

[Ahab8]

NA 62 C

 

[hogge]

23mm could be it. Too small for 27-28mm. It does say A.W. Spies also.

 

[hogge]

NA 62 C
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BINGO! TANKS!

 

[hogge]

Any kind of rarity or value on this ?

 

[Ahab8]

Looks like he was making buttons in the US from 1825-1834 then started making guns and swords later. Great finds guys

 

[hbeaton]

Hogge,

Relative Value in Albert book (based on other NA 62 examples) is an RV 20. I have found a couple examples online of A.W. Spies buttons for a shade under $100. Hope it helps.

 

[Ahab8]

It's an RV of 12-20. I never attemp to equate these to dollar amounts as its a but deceiving but that's a pretty tough one to find bud

 

[pepperj]

Great gilt on the button still, sweet keeper you got yourself.

 

[hbeaton]

This question might sound a bit silly but as I see Albert's book was published roughly around the bicentennial, have the RVs been updated every few years? I'm assuming as other examples have been found since the book's first printing, these values have changed as well as other time sensitive/quantity sensitive information?

 

[ironhorse]

That navy button looks great, it's a keeper!

 

[Iron Patch]

Great looking button and those 1st issue Hibernia halfpennies sure don't show up much. I only recall one other posted.

 

[WildWildBill]

Similar to my t-net friend Bergie's button with the gold gilt, except his is a flat button and does not have any wording on the shank side. Still a beautiful button you have there! I have a cuff button with the eagle and an anchor below it.