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Retirement: U.S. Vs. Abroad

By Jean Folger | October 02, 2014
Retirement: U.S. Vs. Abroad

Retirement planning raises many questions: When can I retire? How much should I save? Will I continue to work and/or volunteer? What will I do to stay active? One thing that can greatly influence the outcome of these questions is where you plan on retiring: either at home in the United States or someplace abroad. While most Americans spend their retirements in the U.S., a growing number are opting to retire overseas. Here, we take a quick look at the pros and cons of staying in the U.S. during retirement or leaving to live overseas.

Retiring in the U.S.

The vast majority of retirees either stay in their existing homes or make in-state moves, with very few leaving their state or relocating out of the country.

– Advantages

Established professional connections – they'll help you secure part-time or less stressful full-time work during retirement
Established social networks – these enable you to remain physically and mentally active without needing to find new friends
Family – it's easier to spend time with children, grandkids and other family
Support – you're not among strangers if anything goes wrong
Trusted providers – you can stay with familiar doctors and hospitals, car mechanics, hairdressers, etc.
Stability and convenience – you can depend on a certain level of predictability, for everything from infrastructure to the brand of toothpaste at your local grocery store
Comfort zone – you can maintain your “normal” routine

– Disadvantages

Expense – the cost of living in the U.S. is much higher than you could find in many parts of the world
Rising healthcare costs – while the standard of care is excellent, healthcare costs are huge: A couple retiring in 2014 is expected to spend $220,000 on healthcare during retirement
Routine – although considered a plus by many, staying in a routine greatly limits your opportunity for new experiences

Retiring Abroad

Moving out of the country is certainly an adventure, and can be more or less so depending on the destination. From quiet beaches in Vietnam to hip cities in South America, retirees can choose a place that matches their comfort level in terms of modern conveniences, access, climate, activities, cuisine, healthcare, culture and customs. See Retirement Abroad: 5 Unexpected Foreign Cities.

– Advantages

New experiences – you'll have fun, which is linked to healthy aging, providing physical, cognitive and social benefits
Realize dreams – you will fulfill your dreams to travel, pick up a new sport or enjoy a special hobby
Lower cost of living – it’s possible to retire abroad comfortably for a fraction of the cost of retiring in the U.S.
Access to affordable healthcare – you may find public healthcare systems providing good healthcare at a reasonable cost; private coverage is available in many countries for significantly less than comparable plans stateside
Retiree Incentives – many countries offer incentives to retirees, such as Panama’s Pensionado program, open to retirees who meet modest minimum income standards
Weather – pick your paradise, whether it’s a warm, sunny beach or a tropical rainforest

– Disadvantages

Distance – depending on where you go, a long, expensive flight could be between you and your friends and family
Double taxation – again, depending on where you retire, you could end up paying taxes on your income both in the U.S. and abroad
Language and cultural difference - are you up for learning a new language and immersing yourself in a new culture?
Instability – not all countries enjoy the same level of political and economic stability that the U.S. does
Daily challenges – the goods, services and conveniences you are used to may not be readily available, or available at all
Reality of vacation versus living – your piece of paradise could be a great place to visit, but not so great for living
Support – you are among strangers if something goes wrong

The Bottom Line: Stay or Go?

Many retirees would never consider moving abroad, while others know for sure that’s what they want to do. For these people, deciding where to live in retirement is easy. Retirees and near-retirees on the fence, however, are faced with a tough decision that will require soul searching, research, and weighing the pros and cons of retiring at home or living abroad.
 

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Ah Red! A Broad?

Okay, I can figure that sounds good too! However, gals are so darned demanding!
 

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Once again I'll say: I had a woman, didn't want another, didn't want rid of her; now that she's gone, don't want another! Once was enough!
I may joke an go on about needing/wanting a woman; but in actuality, have had a couple of chances already to have another one. Politely turned both down.
 

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If you consider retiring abroad there are many countries that offer Americans special tax considerations to retire in their country....
 

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One of my oldest friends retired in Costa Rica, bought a hacienda in a secure gated community for $39k. And, the security is the real deal, "executed" a fence climber on the spot. Cheap health care, cheap dental, And I've certainly been giving thought to that.
 

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WELL, I am kind of bonded to my home. I built it 15 years ago myself with some help from my sons. It's paid for and all of my vehicles are paid for. I have over 5 acres of woods to heat my home and an artesian spring to supply water. With the exception of electricity and taxes I am home free. Oh yes I have food to buy, but a lot is bought from farmers out here. There is also the direct TV and MiFi for the internet. But I can take my guns out on the porch and pick off targets on my 100 yard range with no complaints. The dogs love to walk thru the fields every day. Hay, my son lives here too. Thats a big help. I figure I have it made in the shade, so to speak. Frank five star.png

Woops, don't want to forget the 3 bulldogs!
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WELL, I am kind of bonded to my home. I built it 15 years ago myself with some help from my sons. It's paid for and all of my vehicles are paid for. I have over 5 acres of woods to heat my home and an artesian spring to supply water. With the exception of electricity and taxes I am home free. Oh yes I have food to buy, but a lot is bought from farmers out here. There is also the direct TV and MiFi for the internet. But I can take my guns out on the porch and pick off targets on my 100 yard range with no complaints. The dogs love to walk thru the fields every day. Hay, my son lives here too. Thats a big help. I figure I have it made in the shade, so to speak. Frank View attachment 1062852

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I envy you Frankn! I guess I needed to do what I did after my wife died. I sold out and moved up here to Idaho to be near my daughter and her family.
Back in Texas I had an acre with a nice mobile home on it that was in great shape. Everything was paid for. Had 2 vehicles, paid for.
Couple of things I didn't like though. Only had 'dial up' for internet; very slow. The city of Waco had just annexed us so I don't know just what would have happened after that. I was paying less than $90 a year for taxes (total) on the place!
Had neighbors that were no problem. It was on a 3/4 mile paved road that dead-ended on the Bosque River. My son and I used to go down to the river and walk up and down in the water while casting lures for fish. Really enjoyed living there.
I had re-roofed the mobile home with metal stout enough to walk on, and with about an 14 inch overhang, built a small room onto the rear, a front porch with roof and bannisters, a picket fence around part of the front yard, a 9' x 11' portable building on a concrete slab, and small shed behind it for other storage.
If my daughter hadn't insisted that I move up here, I think I would still be living there with my son, happily.
I'm not really griping; but just miss it. I'm now living in the house with my daughter, son-in-law, grandson, and son. We have plenty of room, plenty to eat, heating and cooling, 2 freezers, a side by side fridge, a fridge with a top freezer, and 3 small fridges (one in the dining room, one in my bedroom, and one in the grandson's bedroom) 2 dogs, and 2 cats. I've got my tv/monitor, Directv (which I very seldom watch), coffee maker, toaster, microwave, computer, printer, Blu-ray player, VCR/DVD player/recorder. Also we have 20 mps internet. We can all use our computers at the same time and still watch movies on Netflix without any buffering, down load games, whatever without problems. What more could a man ask for? ?? Privacy! And I can get that by driving out to the place where I go shooting/plinking or out with the metal detectors. lol I spend almost all of my time, when at home, in my bedroom.
 

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I envy you Frankn! I guess I needed to do what I did after my wife died. I sold out and moved up here to Idaho to be near my daughter and her family.
Back in Texas I had an acre with a nice mobile home on it that was in great shape. Everything was paid for. Had 2 vehicles, paid for.
Couple of things I didn't like though. Only had 'dial up' for internet; very slow. The city of Waco had just annexed us so I don't know just what would have happened after that. I was paying less than $90 a year for taxes (total) on the place!
Had neighbors that were no problem. It was on a 3/4 mile paved road that dead-ended on the Bosque River. My son and I used to go down to the river and walk up and down in the water while casting lures for fish. Really enjoyed living there.
I had re-roofed the mobile home with metal stout enough to walk on, and with about an 14 inch overhang, built a small room onto the rear, a front porch with roof and bannisters, a picket fence around part of the front yard, a 9' x 11' portable building on a concrete slab, and small shed behind it for other storage.
If my daughter hadn't insisted that I move up here, I think I would still be living there with my son, happily.
I'm not really griping; but just miss it. I'm now living in the house with my daughter, son-in-law, grandson, and son. We have plenty of room, plenty to eat, heating and cooling, 2 freezers, a side by side fridge, a fridge with a top freezer, and 3 small fridges (one in the dining room, one in my bedroom, and one in the grandson's bedroom) 2 dogs, and 2 cats. I've got my tv/monitor, Directv (which I very seldom watch), coffee maker, toaster, microwave, computer, printer, Blu-ray player, VCR/DVD player/recorder. Also we have 20 mps internet. We can all use our computers at the same time and still watch movies on Netflix without any buffering, down load games, whatever without problems. What more could a man ask for? ?? Privacy! And I can get that by driving out to the place where I go shooting/plinking or out with the metal detectors. lol I spend almost all of my time, when at home, in my bedroom.

Sounds like you have it made! If you want more privacy and adventure, just get one of those small class C or conversion van for some little excursions.
My son lives here with me. when I built the house, I built one large bedroom on each side, each 18' X 20'. we share a 20 X 20 living room and a kitchen with a utility room behind it. I have 11 acres left from the original farm. Frank five star.png
 

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A friend of mine lives in whiting NJ in a retirement community close to seaside at the shore. You can purchase a quad style ranch home for cheep < 35,000 and up to 150,000 for a single rancher.
Taxes are around 2000 year and everything outside the home is taken care of for you. (Cut grass, snow removal and roof).

You just have to decide where you want to end you life, I opt out and choose to end my life close to my family in NJ!

Then again I may not ever retire !?
13 more years:(
 

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Overseas I have researched Ecuador, Panama, Honduras, as well as my wife is Filipino so Philippines is an option

In states I live in Florida and have considered Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and several more states as well . I only consider the color red on the US map....
 

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Overseas I have researched Ecuador, Panama, Honduras, as well as my wife is Filipino so Philippines is an option In states I live in Florida and have considered Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and several more states as well . I only consider the color red on the US map....

I was in the Philippines back in 2000, arrived in Manilla, hired a driver. Long day's drive out to our work site (Raytheon Dam Build). Nice place to visit, I wouldn't want to live there. Everyone spoke excellent English. There was armed guards in front of most businesses, smelled like burnt trash everywhere and the noise from the bugs was relentless as was the heat. 12 hours behind us Eastern Timers. I think it was late fall here in the states at the time of my visit. The average person made 200 a month income.

I know a lot of people who move to Florida from jersey. It's supposedly senior friendly down there!
 

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I was in the Philippines back in 2000, arrived in Manilla, hired a driver. Long day's drive out to our work site (Raytheon Dam Build). Nice place to visit, I wouldn't want to live there. Everyone spoke excellent English. There was armed guards in front of most businesses, smelled like burnt trash everywhere and the noise from the bugs was relentless as was the heat. 12 hours behind us Eastern Timers. I think it was late fall here in the states at the time of my visit. The average person made 200 a month income.

I know a lot of people who move to Florida from jersey. It's supposedly senior friendly down there!
Manila is not where I would ever choose to live, Southern Phillipines, Cebu / Bohol area is. Cebu is about 500 miles south of Manila and has some of the best beaches in the world.
I was in the Philippines back in 2000, arrived in Manilla, hired a driver. Long day's drive out to our work site (Raytheon Dam Build). Nice place to visit, I wouldn't want to live there. Everyone spoke excellent English. There was armed guards in front of most businesses, smelled like burnt trash everywhere and the noise from the bugs was relentless as was the heat. 12 hours behind us Eastern Timers. I think it was late fall here in the states at the time of my visit. The average person made 200 a month income.

I know a lot of people who move to Florida from jersey. It's supposedly senior friendly down there!
Manila is not where I would ever choose to live, Southern Phillipines, Cebu area is. Cebu is about 500 miles south
 

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One of my oldest friends retired in Costa Rica, bought a hacienda in a secure gated community for $39k. And, the security is the real deal, "executed" a fence climber on the spot. Cheap health care, cheap dental, And I've certainly been giving thought to that.

I would be very interested to find out how "good" that free health and cheap dental care is.............
 

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I would be very interested to find out how "good" that free health and cheap dental care is.............

Dont know about Costa Rica but here is Equador.

Excellent Health Care in Ecuador at a Fraction of U.S. Prices


One of the great perks for foreign residents living in Ecuador is high-quality, low-cost health care. Here, you will receive personal attention from medical practitioners not seen in the U.S. since the 1960s. You’ll have access to excellent medical care in Ecuador. In the bigger cities, you’ll find hospitals with state-of-the-art equipment, as well as specialists in all fields and physicians with private clinics.

A visit to a general practitioner costs $25 to $30 while a visit to a specialist runs $30 to $40. A psychiatrist will charge $30 to $40 for a half-hour session. Simple, ambulatory procedures are equally inexpensive. For example, the removal of a small lump (under local anesthesia), and a biopsy, costs about $100. Brand name medicines usually cost less than in the U.S. Generics, which are widely available, are also much cheaper.

And don’t be afraid of surgery—many specialists in Ecuador have trained in the U.S. or Europe and have top-notch skills. For example, a shoulder repair for a torn tendon is a two-hour procedure done under general anesthetic. The total bill for the operation, anesthesia, pre- and post-operative care, an overnight stay in the hospital, and all supplies and medications costs just $2,900—about a quarter of what the same procedure costs in the U.S. One of IL’s colleagues underwent this particular procedure and told us that the outcome was excellent, and mentioned that follow-up physical therapy from an experienced therapist with a thriving private practice cost just $20 a visit.

Health insurance is a bargain in Ecuador. A review of comparable insurance policies for a 60-year-old man in the U.S. and Ecuador, tell the story. In the U.S., the man would pay a monthly premium of $1,200; in Ecuador he pays $66. A woman, age 50 to 60, would pay $67 for the same policy in Ecuador while coverage for a dependent child, between 2 and 17 years-of-age, costs $15.69 a month.

The policy cited is offered by Salud, S.A., Latin America’s largest health insurance company and pays 80% of doctor’s visits, 60% of medications costs, and 100% of hospitalization. It also offers extra coverage for walk-in procedures and accidents.For more information about Salud, visit the company’s website here.

*Prices as of 2013

http://internationalliving.com/countries/ecuador/health/
 

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I would be very interested to find out how "good" that free health and cheap dental care is.............

I just e-mailed my buddy asking him these questions. Pretty interested in that as well. TH's post about Equador is pretty interesting too. The only thing holding me here is my kids.
 

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I cornered a fighter in the UFC in Puerto Rico quite a few years ago, my fighter had a deep gash on his eye; so we had to be transported to the hospital. All I can say is, needles on the floor, blood all over the place - I was very concerned about just being in that hospital.
 

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One of my oldest friends retired in Costa Rica, bought a hacienda in a secure gated community for $39k. And, the security is the real deal, "executed" a fence climber on the spot. Cheap health care, cheap dental, And I've certainly been giving thought to that.

I received a response from my friend in Costa Rica:

Retired?! You need to go back to work to support my Social Security and Medicare, hehehehehe....

From what we have experienced both the health care and dental care are very good and very affordable.

We're still here in MI; I'm going down after Thanksgiving for 2 to 3 weeks then back for x-mas. We'll both head back down about mid Jan. with a stop in Florida to spend a few days with family, then will stay for 3 months.

I know the feeling about having less time and finding that it takes twice as long to get things done as it used to...................but, being retired affords us the extra time..........there's always tomorrow ;-)

I assume that you're still in VA. Are you planning a trip up here to visit? Let me know.

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I am not familiar with Costa Rica. You say the medical is cheap and the dental is cheap, but I am wondering about the Quality. I would also be concerned about how restrictive the laws are and the extent of human rights. How about property rights. Frank five star.png
 

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