Goldman Sachs, currency and PM manipulation... just me thinking out loud

placerman

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Forgive me for this meandering. Ive been thinking about this all morning and wanted to put this on record somehow....

We've all heard about the problems Greece is having. In case you didn't know, Goldman-Sachs had secretly worked with the government of Greece last year to allow them to borrow billions of euros and skirt the EU requirements regarding this.

Just last week I read that Goldman-Sachs has helped Portugal with US dollar denominated bonds and today (3-22-2010) Portugal's debt rating was downgraded.

Greece has until late April or early June of this year to sell more bonds in order to pay bondholders for approximately 20 billion euros worth of bonds that will mature then. This is in addition to the 10 billion they need to sell in March just to stay afloat.

Think about that for a second.

Greece and to a certain extent, all of Europe has at most 45 days to "fix" Greece. The only long term solution is for Greece to drastically cut social programs and raise taxes but they will never do that willingly. They cannot single-handedly inflate the euro to ease their debt burden so they are really in a pickle so to speak.

Much more likely is an IMF bailout package for Greece being announced in the next few weeks, followed by one for Portugal and/or Italy, Spain, Ireland probably by mid summer. My guess is it will be either Portugal or Italy beginning in the next two months.

One common denominator behind all this is Goldman-Sachs.

Would it not be logical to assume that this company is working in collusion with the US government to wage financial war on Europe and Asia? That's what it sure looks like to me.

In the US we are not much better. In fact our rate of spending growth is the highest of any nation and we will be spending 13% of GDP or around 40% of all tax revenue on service of our federal debt by 2012 or 2013.

The US has just a few choices.

1) We can inflate our way out by making our current debts worth less and therefore easier to pay off. This is already happening.

2) We can raise taxes around 50% or more. There is already a growing anti tax movement in this country and this would be suicide politically so I consider this to be the absolute last resort.

3) We can cut social programs to the bone. To do an adequate job of this, Social Security and Medicare would literally have to cease to exist, in addition to massive cuts in welfare. This would not go over well for the millions of people in the US who enjoy 25 dollar a month subsidized rent. And with the recent passage of Obamacare, it certainly doesn't look like the US has any stomach for going down this path either.

There are other options such as confiscation. This was done in 1933 with gold but if it happens this time it will most likely be with retirement accounts such as IRAs, 401k's and 403b accounts. This has already been discussed believe it or not. The plan is to confiscate all these accounts, sell them for whatever they can get for them and "compensate" the original owners of the account with GRA's or "Guaranteed Retirement Accounts" which would be 100% invested in US treasury debt.


Concerning gold.

When India bought the 191 tons of gold from the IMF it really shocked the gold markets and sent gold to a new high.

Now suddenly China announces they don't want to buy the rest "because it would spook the markets and encourage speculation". My feeling on this is either the IMF will sell the gold quietly somewhere or in smaller amounts or maybe wont even sell it. It might interest you to know that the US government is buying gold at a unofficial rate of around 2,250,000 million ounces per year. That works out to around 76.9 tons per year. Back when the IMF said that they wanted to sell their gold didn't they say they wanted to complete the sale within 2.5 years? Well if you figure what was left after the sale to India, they have to sell around 77 tons per year to reach that goal....

Think about it. They have to sell an average of 77 tons a year and the US just happens to be buying 76.9 tons per year?

Anybody want to guess where the IMF gold is going?
 

quiksilver

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Thinkin back

1. Its not a financial war on Europe and Asia its a war on the middle class with the long term goal of one world goverment.

2.They will inflate and raise taxes since those in charge dont care about political suicide. Republicans and democrats on the level that it counts are being run by the same people. They could care less who gets voted out when all the long term plans are slowly being implemented.

I see no difference between bush and obama. Bush followed most of clintons bad policies and Obama is following Bushes with little difference.When the republicans had the house the senate and the presidency what conservative issue went foward? All bush did was personally push through cafta like clinton with nafta. Like sending our jobs south of the border is good for Americans.

Both parties are responsible for the bailout and the lies that led up to it. It wasnt wall street it was the "community reinvestment act" look it up. It gave [more like mandated by the goverment because it would be unfair not to] loans to the minorities who couldnt afford houses on their own. They were giving loans to illegal aliens with the "no doc" loans. The push for houses then drove up house prices which in turn with the ez loans caused the stupid middle class [alegedly more intelligent then the poor who had NOTHING to lose] to buy 2nd houses or refinance the first to buy cars and vacations. All the while the rich were happy to sell more loans and make more money. But again it was the goverment who put it all into action knowing the smarter middle class [those that live withih their means] would pay for it all as we have in the past . Funny how history repeats itself and no one learns.
 

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placerman

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Have you ever read "Atlas Shrugged"?

It has been voted to be the 2nd most influential book ever written, second only to the Bible.

Its a novel and in the novel various business leaders conspire to basically push a socialist government to the brink as retaliation for various socialist laws and agendas. Specifically the government, among other things forces businesses to make bad investments (today's Community Reinvestment Act) and the businesses retaliate by running themselves into the ground, forcing the government to save them to avoid collapse and bringing the world to eventually a civil war.

Whether you believe or like the book is irrelevant. It is THE most widely read book in business circles. I can easily see how the New World Order was based upon this book. If you want to really understand and even be able to predict what will come, read it. Its like George Soros and all the rest of them are reading from a script.
 

quiksilver

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Thanx ,have heard of it , will find and read it. Tho i get aggravated when i do political books. Probably why i usually only read sci fi and fantasy lately. Been listening to Peter Schiff, sounds like he has a pretty good take on whats goin on.
 

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placerman

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quiksilver said:
Thanx ,have heard of it , will find and read it. Tho i get aggravated when i do political books. Probably why i usually only read sci fi and fantasy lately. Been listening to Peter Schiff, sounds like he has a pretty good take on whats goin on.


I'm not through with it yet. I'm on page 550 or so and have over 700 pages left.

What is immensely fun is figuring out the modern day equivalents of the characters in the book.

So far I am 100% sure that Alan Greenspan is Fransisco D'Anconia. Mr Greenspan is a follower of the author of the book and I am sure he is intimately familiar with that character and what he ends up doing in the book.

Basically Fransisco sabotages his own company in order to hasten the downfall of the government. Think about it, Mr Greenspan, a follower of low inflation, purposely kept interest rates very low for a decade and encouraged reckless spending, when his education and training were to do the opposite.

His actions in all likelihood, will bring an end to this socialist experiment we have lived under for the past 50 years. This is the same goal that Mr D'Aconia had.
 

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