Half of George II hibernia Half penny!

[adventureswithjim]

Checking some new spots in the woods for more colonials nets some nice goodies! More and more it's looking like this area was the cross roads of the colonial world...mixing spanish florida with brit colonies and various indian tribes. Today's finds included a spanish-style scarf hasp (the thing with the pins) and bridal rosette, a belt slide thing (the large decoraitve brass thing) and a 1760 george II Hibernia half penny...cut in half...would that make it a Farthing? I dunno...

The coin is totally trashed, worn to a nub, the outline of a harp is barely visible on the back, with a couple of letters "I" and "A", the number "17" in the right places for a Hibernia...means it's from Ireland, another colony heard from in this cross roads of the 18th century.

Fun day and as always a vid to go with it...

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[Iron Patch]

Not an early George II Irish Bust. Probably 1822 George IV. But still counts.

 

[Steve in PA]

Looks to me like you got a piece of a neck stock buckle, along with the colonial rossette, and I am curious about the other item. You may have found the first one of these bracket/guide things intact. We have long suspected that they went together, but they are always found separately. Maybe you can show some more views of yours? Here are a couple that I matched up for demo purposes.

 

[adventureswithjim]

I've dug a number of those ovals and the bracket part at the site...this one has both still attached. Check the vid, you can see it comes out whole. The bracket part on my piece is held on by iron rivets...the additional holes in mine appear to be decorative, not functional...so the rivets would have had to penetrate to a third layer like a leather strap, it's easy to see how the two brass bits got separated. Even though my plate has a different design, I'd say a good bet the brackets and the ovals are supposed to be together. It would be cool if this piece were able to settle the question of the ovals.

 

[adventureswithjim]

Not an early George II Irish Bust. Probably 1822 George IV. But still counts.

This coin is extremely difficult to get a good pic of since some details can only be seen at angle. It's a extremely worn coin, but the details I can make out on the harp side do not line up with your pic of the 1822. the harp on mine comes down farther and has a "17" next to it at the bottom. The bust side has a "II" to the right of the bust.

Thanks for the effort to ID the coin, in any case this one is pretty much a lost cause...just being able to see the harp to ID this coin as Irish adds a cool new detail to the site.

 

[Steve in PA]

I've dug a number of those ovals and the bracket part at the site...this one has both still attached. Check the vid, you can see it comes out whole. The bracket part on my piece is held on by iron rivets...the additional holes in mine appear to be decorative, not functional...so the rivets would have had to penetrate to a third layer like a leather strap, it's easy to see how the two brass bits got separated. Even though my plate has a different design, I'd say a good bet the brackets and the ovals are supposed to be together. It would be cool if this piece were able to settle the question of the ovals.

You have settled the question of whether they did indeed go together! Now we are still faced with the question of where they were actually used. I have heard speculation that they were used on saddles and some other horse related uses, but nobody has been able to produce a picture of one actually in use on the actual item (whatever that item is). If you don't mind I would like to save your pictures for my files.

 

[Iron Patch]

Not an early George II Irish Bust. Probably 1822 George IV. But still counts.

This coin is extremely difficult to get a good pic of since some details can only be seen at angle. It's a extremely worn coin, but the details I can make out on the harp side do not line up with your pic of the 1822. the harp on mine comes down farther and has a "17" next to it at the bottom. The bust side has a "II" to the right of the bust.

Thanks for the effort to ID the coin, in any case this one is pretty much a lost cause...just being able to see the harp to ID this coin as Irish adds a cool new detail to the site.

If you clearly see the 17, you see the 17... but that profile does not look like what it should be. It looks like a later bust.

Plus.... considering it's only half the coin are you sure you are looking at a date? If you can see some of the words in Hibernia, you are seeing the top... so how can you see the date? If the date is after the a, then it's a Woods Hibernia. (1722-1724) Or... your just catching the 17 before the break. Still a weird bust.

 

[adventureswithjim]

You have settled the question of whether they did indeed go together! Now we are still faced with the question of where they were actually used. I have heard speculation that they were used on saddles and some other horse related uses, but nobody has been able to produce a picture of one actually in use on the actual item (whatever that item is). If you don't mind I would like to save your pictures for my files.

My 2 cents about being "used" as slide guides is no, they were not. There's a problem with them being used as strap guide...there's no wear. On my item it's especially clear with so much frilly detail, there is no additional wear on the path another belt would have been sliding over. You can look at any of the ovals you or I have dug...they are all evenly worn...no path of wear from the sliding belt. As for what I think they were used for...I know as much about horses as I know about cars...if it ain't got a USB port to jack into, I'm lost.

Yeah, keep the pics if they help.

 

[adventureswithjim]

Not an early George II Irish Bust. Probably 1822 George IV. But still counts.

This coin is extremely difficult to get a good pic of since some details can only be seen at angle. It's a extremely worn coin, but the details I can make out on the harp side do not line up with your pic of the 1822. the harp on mine comes down farther and has a "17" next to it at the bottom. The bust side has a "II" to the right of the bust.

Thanks for the effort to ID the coin, in any case this one is pretty much a lost cause...just being able to see the harp to ID this coin as Irish adds a cool new detail to the site.

If you clearly see the 17, you see the 17... but that profile does not look like what it should be. It looks like a later bust.

Plus.... considering it's only half the coin are you sure you are looking at a date? If you can see some of the words in Hibernia, you are seeing the top... so how can you see the date? If the date is after the a, then it's a Woods Hibernia. (1722-1724) Or... your just catching the 17 before the break. Still a weird bust.

There is nothing "clear" about this coin :-)

Here's the back, maybe in this pic you can make out the harp and the 7? I dunno. Like I said this coin is a lost cause! I'm just happy to see the harp at all.

Another possibility is this is a period counterfeit, the ones I've seen pics of had odd looking busts...but who would fake a half penny?

I'm including a couple pics of an ebay coin (the root of truth..ahahahahahahahah) that I've been using to compare mine too. My coin is a Rorschach test...you can see anything you want in those blobs!

I'll kill for a copper with real details...of the 5 from the site, best I can do with any of them is ID country of origin.

 

[Iron Patch]

Not an early George II Irish Bust. Probably 1822 George IV. But still counts.

This coin is extremely difficult to get a good pic of since some details can only be seen at angle. It's a extremely worn coin, but the details I can make out on the harp side do not line up with your pic of the 1822. the harp on mine comes down farther and has a "17" next to it at the bottom. The bust side has a "II" to the right of the bust.

Thanks for the effort to ID the coin, in any case this one is pretty much a lost cause...just being able to see the harp to ID this coin as Irish adds a cool new detail to the site.

If you clearly see the 17, you see the 17... but that profile does not look like what it should be. It looks like a later bust.

Plus.... considering it's only half the coin are you sure you are looking at a date? If you can see some of the words in Hibernia, you are seeing the top... so how can you see the date? If the date is after the a, then it's a Woods Hibernia. (1722-1724) Or... your just catching the 17 before the break. Still a weird bust.

There is nothing "clear" about this coin :-)

Here's the back, maybe in this pic you can make out the harp and the 7? I dunno. Like I said this coin is a lost cause! I'm just happy to see the harp at all.

Another possibility is this is a period counterfeit, the ones I've seen pics of had odd looking busts...but who would fake a half penny?

I'm including a couple pics of an ebay coin (the root of truth..ahahahahahahahah) that I've been using to compare mine too. My coin is a Rorschach test...you can see anything you want in those blobs!

I'll kill for a copper with real details...of the 5 from the site, best I can do with any of them is ID country of origin.

Profile doesn't match. The bust on your coin actually looks more like what was used on the British George IV Halfpenny. But I've seen poor condition really distort things so you'll probably never know for sure.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Looks to me like you got a piece of a neck stock buckle, along with the colonial rossette, and I am curious about the other item. You may have found the first one of these bracket/guide things intact. We have long suspected that they went together, but they are always found separately. Maybe you can show some more views of yours? Here are a couple that I matched up for demo purposes.

Yes strap guides, great to see a whole one

SS

 

[s.c.shooter]

Is it just me or does anyone else see a figure sitting on the bench behind Jim towards the end of the video?

 

[Nooberz]

Regardless of what it actually is, it is still a pretty nice coin. Grats on the Copper!

 

[Gunrunner61]

Nice finds, But i have to agree with sc shooter, Does not anyone else see the man in uniform that shows up about 4:17 and sits over Jim's right shoulder until about 4:40 and just kinda vanishes? I saw it Shooter saw it , Anyone else?........Hmmmmmm............

 

[adventureswithjim]

Nice finds, But i have to agree with sc shooter, Does not anyone else see the man in uniform that shows up about 4:17 and sits over Jim's right shoulder until about 4:40 and just kinda vanishes? I saw it Shooter saw it , Anyone else?........Hmmmmmm............

no such thing as ghosts, must be a spot on the cam lens or something!

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Jim, all I have to say is you are trip man...lol I really enjoy those videos you come up with.

Nice saves buddy

 

[Gunrunner61]

Nice finds, But i have to agree with sc shooter, Does not anyone else see the man in uniform that shows up about 4:17 and sits over Jim's right shoulder until about 4:40 and just kinda vanishes? I saw it Shooter saw it , Anyone else?........Hmmmmmm............

no such thing as ghosts, must be a spot on the cam lens or something!

Recon I'll have to go with the something.........Couse he's there for sure!

 

[Ken in Georgia]

Hey did you move Jim ? Great find

 

[s.c.shooter]

Agreed Gunner. It looks like one can see his nose,eyes,shoulders etc. Unbelieveable!

 

[CRUSADER]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfpenny_(British_pre-decimal_coin)
Halfpenny is one word

Nice find