help with age please

[woofwoof123]

HI All

Can anyone give me a better idea than I have already on the bottle pictured below , found in France recently after work on a building dating from 18th century

 

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1820-50 is my best guess, Harry Pristis could nail it down better if he sees the post, he is an expert in this area. Nice find either way...

 

[woofwoof123]

Thanks for your help - from where it was found logic says it should be end 18th century but who really can say - Harry P maybe ?

Hey Harry wherever you ?

 

[Bass]

I agree with Jim, 1850-60 at the latest. And Harry will probably even tell you where it was made

 

[Goldenplug]

Interesting lip finish. Never seen that style. Usually the 1700’s bottles have a cruder lip. I think I agree with these guys too but I’m not an expert. Definitely crude though, nice saggy base. Nice bottle regardless.

 

[woofwoof123]

HI All

Thanks for your input , the bottle is definitely of French origine , I live in France and am in the wine trade - the bottles for there are 7 in all were found in a walled up cellar - in principle the cellar was wall up somewhere between 1790 and 1825, though obviously can't be 100% sure of that I'll post some more photos shortly . The original owners would have been aristocrats thus wealthy , the orignal building was attacked and partially destroyed in 1795 . I'm wondering if manufacturing techniques evolved at different times France vs States I'm guessing things may have advanced earlier here as we're in a region where there was high demand and a well devoted glass industry - Cognac and Bordeaux are both local .

ps the bottles contain Cognac apart from this one that we've drunk . I'm trying to place the bottle age in order to age the contents .

 

[woofwoof123]

here is a photo of the neck and lip of the bottle , though hard to see in the photo the lip is slightly off kilter as it were

 

[sandchip]

Very nice find. Do you have pictures of the other bottles, or were they all the same?

 

[woofwoof123]

The others are very similar but also slightly different 1 is 23,5 cm another 24,2cm etc also the form is almost identical they're are differences .

I'm interest in the glassware in order to date the contents more than anything - but in itself i find bottle wonderful

 

[glass half fool]

Great fine and interesting info about the background and history of the time period

 

[woofwoof123]

Hi All

Just got some good info from here in France , bottle dates from second half 18th or at latest very early 19th century , shape and fabrication is particular to the Loire/Vendee/Cognac region of France on the west coast of France - which is the area where they were found . A region more or less 100 miles by 50 miles . so quite a tight period/geographical fix .

Thanks to all

 

[woofwoof123]

here's one as found and still full .

 

[woofwoof123]

another "fun" bottle

And another just for fun

Cointreau circa 1944 interesting because stamped on label in red ink (in German )

Reserved for Wehrmacht ,
Public sale Forbidden

Seized from a train blown up by the French resistance in 1944 View attachment 1600119

 

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Hi All

Just got some good info from here in France , bottle dates from second half 18th or at latest very early 19th century , shape and fabrication is particular to the Loire/Vendee/Cognac region of France on the west coast of France - which is the area where they were found . A region more or less 100 miles by 50 miles . so quite a tight period/geographical fix .

Thanks to all

I'm not sure that the blowpipe pontil(open pontil) on your bottle dates to the 1700's, I hope Harry sees this post and chimes in...

 

[woofwoof123]

Yes I hope Harry does too !

 

[woofwoof123]

The bottle it seems is a local french copy of something called an "English Mallet" originally made in England circa 1760 copied in France 1780-1810

 

[woofwoof123]

https://bouteillesanciennes.net/201...oday-an-english-one-made-in-dunkerque-france/