HELP with ID

[dfallis1]

This button was found at a location where I have found numerous relics from the War Of 1812 and earlier. I'm having trouble trying to identify this button. The area it was found in is northern Maryland and property dates back to late 1600s. Thanks in advance for any information. GL&HH

 

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[BARKER]

Hi dfallis1; You finally have come up with something that I can not even come close to IDing. Here are my impressions ok. First is that if it is from 1812 then what I think I see on the front very well may be a crude African Slaves Head or Profile with the Plains making up the line across the bottom. I'll call that side the Obverse for simplicity ok. Now if you turn the Relic over I see what looks like an Egyptians Head or Indians Head wearing a Head Dress. I honestly do not believe it is a button as well. Here is why. I think it is to large for practical clothing usage. Also, when a button is made they would stamp the design onto the TOP of the button NOT the bottom. This item has a design on BOTH sides so it does not make sense to be a button. It does look like there was "something" attached to the middle but I just don't know what. This item may have served a dual purpose as well. I'm just not sure. I can hardly wait for the other Folks here to jump in. PLEASE let us know what it turns out to be. I think that will come about by a general consensus on this item.
Lastly, You may want to actually take it to a Museums Conservation Dept for ID. They could probably nail it for you ok. They have a VAST database of knowlege about this stuff ok. Again, PLEASE tell Us what it turns out to be ok. Great Find. Thanks. PEACE:RONB

 

[dfallis1]

Thank you Barker for the advice. The back is indented of the front bust. The middle would have been the shank but has snapped off.

 

[Wildcat1750]

An interesting piece - too bad I can't help on the ID.

 

[ironhorse]

There have been a few Egyptian revivals over the last two hundred years, your piece fits well into that.

it's an interesting piece, I'm interested to see where your research goes

 

[BARKER]

Hi dfallis1; Thnks. Here is my thing. The impression on the Obverse does not match the profile on the Reverse of this item. I agree that there was "somethng" attached to the center of the Reverse but I don't think it ws a shank. Even when I zoomed in on it that indent still did not look like a shank spot altthough I could be wrong on that part of it. I'm wondering what the Folks here think of the Obverse Profile as well. You may have a RARE piece there. Maybe not. I'll wait for the others to jump in here ok. Where is IronPatch, Mackaydon or CRUSADER ?? They could help a lot. We here await. PEACE:RONB

 

[dfallis1]

Thank you Wildcat and Ironhorse. I'm stumped on this one. I looked through several resources and cant find an example. Still looking

 

[dfallis1]

Hi dfallis1; Thnks. Here is my thing. The impression on the Obverse does not match the profile on the Reverse of this item. I agree that there was "somethng" attached to the center of the Reverse but I don't think it ws a shank. Even when I zoomed in on it that indent still did not look like a shank spot altthough I could be wrong on that part of it. I'm wondering what the Folks here think of the Obverse Profile as well. You may have a RARE piece there. Maybe not. I'll wait for the others to jump in here ok. Where is IronPatch, Mackaydon or CRUSADER ?? They could help a lot. We here await. PEACE:RONB

OK I didn't understand at first your point of view. Looking at it with a loop the design/bust of the object is identical on both sides. looks to be punched from one side and then something added to the middle which my guess would be the shank. On the obverse side you can see more details, that might be what is showing differences. Thanks again for the help

 

[BARKER]

Hi dfallis; Ok. Then it starts to make sense. The pictures don't do it justice. Now about the Design on the Obverse. What is that Design PEACE:RONB

 

[dfallis1]

Hi dfallis; Ok. Then it starts to make sense. The pictures don't do it justice. Now about the Design on the Obverse. What is that Design PEACE:RONB

Just finished a light cleaning. Revealed a little more detail. It looks to be some kind of head dress bust. Here are a few more pictures.

 

[HunterMF]

This is awesome! Didn't think it would have so much detail. Definitely looks Egyptian or atleast Egyptian influence.

 

[Molewacker]

With the extra cleaning, I would call it a "egyptian pharaoh" button - showing a Upper Egypt headdress with the Vulture instead of Cobra.

Nice!!!!

 

[Peyton Manning]

yep king tut profile

 

[dfallis1]

This is awesome! Didn't think it would have so much detail. Definitely looks Egyptian or atleast Egyptian influence.

Yea some figure with a head dress. This is one of the relics found when we went out last Fri.

 

[Peyton Manning]

does this mean that perhaps the egyptians brought the treasure to oak island?
Or it could be the treasures of king tut himself?
will the button predate the digging on oak island?

 

[Dug]

does this mean that perhaps the egyptians brought the treasure to oak island?
Or it could be the treasures of king tut himself?
will the button predate the digging on oak island?

Have you been subcontracted by the Oak Island production crew?

 

[dfallis1]

does this mean that perhaps the egyptians brought the treasure to oak island?
Or it could be the treasures of king tut himself?
will the button predate the digging on oak island?

HaHa

 

[Bass]

What is it made of? Is it lead? Looks as though someone tried to make impressions on both sides of it. Either that or it was some sort of medallion that was in a fire

 

[dfallis1]

It looks to be made of brass

 

[HunterMF]

Yea some figure with a head dress. This is one of the relics found when we went out last Fri.

Yea, I remember seeing it thinking that it was some type of spanish button. Wanna hit it up again this Fri? I also wanted to tell that I may have a really good permission lined up. I have to talk to my friend first