I didnt just break the century barriers, I decimated them with one swing

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I didn't just break the century barriers, I decimated them with one swing

Found this today at the site of an early 19th century Mennonite meetinghouse. Not fully sure what it is, it's pretty toasted, but I'm reasonably sure it's older than a LC or HC (but I could be wrong).

First look, in situ
Geo II - 1.png

It's about 1.54" (27mm) in diameter. Before it went into the boiling peroxide I could barely make out a faint outline - unfamiliar to me, but enough to know it's not a LC or HC. Any ideas?

P.S. It's out of the peroxide and into some olive oil, where it will spend the night. I'm not too hopeful on detail from this thing, it's REALLY toasted, and looks like a plow hit it at one point. If I remember correctly it was between 10"-12" down.

Here's a quick look after a few minutes in the olive oil:
Geo II - 2.png

Here's the end result after 4 hours of electrolysis at 4.55Vdc/550 mA:
Geo II.jpg

The electrolysis confirmed a suspicion that I've had since after the peroxide bath: that the lack of detail is due to corrosion rather than concretion, which no amount of cleaning can restore. So what bare, faintest detail exists is all I'm going to get. However, you can see more of the faint outlines in person than my cell phone camera will ever show, bc the phone wants to focus in on the corrosion itself rather than what the corrosion obscures. I'm 100% positive from what I can see that it's a George II.
 

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Bingo! Neat how one swing can change so much time, ain't it. :)

WTG!
HH!
 

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Bingo! Neat how one swing can change so much time, ain't it. :)

WTG!
HH!

Some simple research says it's probably a George I (1717 - 1724) or George II (1729 - 1754) halfpenny, which fits the size (~27.8mm) and era. Some confirmation would be nice from those more knowledgeable...
 

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Maybe a George III Blacksmith Token?
 

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I'm really hoping the olive oil reveals a little more detail.
 

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I see a Classic Head Large Cent. What really sticks out to me is the headband that says liberty in it. The olive oil picture shows what I see as the left facing bust and Liberty crown and being 28mm in diameter fits your size comparison. These coins date from 1808-1814, so you've got a 200 year old coin in your possession. Congrats on a great find. :)
 

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I see a Classic Head Large Cent. What really sticks out to me is the headband that says liberty in it. The olive oil picture shows what I see as the left facing bust and Liberty crown and being 28mm in diameter fits your size comparison. These coins date from 1808-1814, so you've got a 200 year old coin in your possession. Congrats on a great find. :)

You know, I completely forgot about the Classic Head LC's left bust. Idk where you see the headband in the olive oil pic. But I still think it's a King George... mostly because (a) the facial profile is flat, as opposed to a classic head's angled profile, (b) when it first came out of the ground, I was pretty sure I could see the exergue.

EDIT: I know I'm kinda biased here, but I think what you're seeing as the headband is just a photographic artifact from the glare of the light. When I took the pic I definitely didn't see that.
 

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Can't wait to see it
 

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You know, I completely forgot about the Classic Head LC's left bust. Idk where you see the headband in the olive oil pic. But I still think it's a King George... mostly because (a) the facial profile is flat, as opposed to a classic head's angled profile, (b) when it first came out of the ground, I was pretty sure I could see the exegue.

EDIT: I know I'm kinda biased here, but I think what you're seeing as the headband is just a photographic artifact from the glare of the light. When I took the pic I definitely didn't see that.

You could be right, and I hope you are! Good luck...Can't wait to see the outcome.
 

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It's definitely not a classic head cent. More of the detail is coming visible, but won't show up on my phone camera yet. I can see the lowest olive leaf pair by the back of his head and the outline of where the olive leaf crown points at the top, and the shape of the top/back of his head. I can also faintly see the first N in Britannia on the reverse.
 

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Olive oil overnight didn't reveal much. I stuck it in the electrolysis bin for a few hours on low voltage/current and will check it at lunchtime in a few hours. Hopefully some of the crustiness comes off this time.
 

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Final update added to original post.

I will be hitting that farmland again today :) :occasion14:
 

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cti4sw,

Great find and congrats! Try soaking the coin in Extra Virgin Olive Oil or Mineral Oil for a month, then try removing the concretion with green Rose Thorns. I say Thorns as it will take more than one as the sharp point on them wear out fairly quickly. Also, green Rose Thorns will not harm any details on the coin or the copper itself in any way and is why these are preferred by many folks that clean up dirty and/or corroded copper coins! The process may or may not do much in removing the concretion but it may remove enough to make the coin more identifiable and since it is already toasted, it sure won't hurt.


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cti4sw,

Great find and congrats! Try soaking the coin in Extra Virgin Olive Oil or Mineral Oil for a month, then try removing the concretion with green Rose Thorns. I say Thorns as it will take more than one as the sharp point on them wear out fairly quickly. Also, green Rose Thorns will not harm any details on the coin or the copper itself in any way and is why these are preferred by many folks that clean up dirty and/or corroded copper coins! The process may or may not do much in removing the concretion but it may remove enough to make the coin more identifiable and since it is already toasted, it sure won't hurt.


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You're right that it wouldn't hurt to set it in olive oil for an extended period, but if the electrolysis didn't remove anything, I doubt olive oil will. The coin is corroded, it doesn't really have any more concretion (the peroxide bath removed 98% of it all) and I'm not too optimistic about revealing more detail under nonexistent concretion.
 

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Hello, :hello:

I absolutely hate to sound like a jerk and I'm always the bearer of bad news :BangHead: but, I think its better people know the truth. The pitting your getting is from the Electrolysis all those little dots that's from the Electrolysis. You over cooked it or used to many amps. Don't worry I've done it myself a dozen times and.... Sometimes the detail is just not there and with corrosion and pitting from baths and being in the elements for 200 years the detail has literally changed to corrosion and its not there anymore. I hope this helps,
Keep @ it and HH !! :hello2:
 

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Hello, :hello:

I absolutely hate to sound like a jerk and I'm always the bearer of bad news :BangHead: but, I think its better people know the truth. The pitting your getting is from the Electrolysis all those little dots that's from the Electrolysis. You over cooked it or used to many amps. Don't worry I've done it myself a dozen times and.... Sometimes the detail is just not there and with corrosion and pitting from baths and being in the elements for 200 years the detail has literally changed to corrosion and its not there anymore. I hope this helps,
Keep @ it and HH !! :hello2:

All that pitting was there after the peroxide bath. The electrolysis barely had any effect on the coin at all. This I know, because being my first 200+ year old coin, I paid close attention to what each cleaning/restoration step did to it. No to sound like a jerk, but if you had looked closer at my pic during the olive oil stage, you might have seen that :rolleyes:
 

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