Marius - from my perspective it really looks as though you have a site/location in the mountains that you're convinced is the site of Waltz's mine and from that you're working backward to pick and choose which clues and which sources fit that spot. Maybe I'm wrong
Howdy Jim, glad you decided to join the debates once again. Your opinion while different from mine, is just as worthy, and always welcomed. Ten years does not seem much time for those who search for the LDM once or twice a year, on their vacations. But for anyone living in those mountains on a constant fruitless search, ten years would, or could make them try something else.
In my honest opinion, the only clue that may have been confused by Julia and Rhiney, is the peak with a hole to the South. Unless Weaver Needle had a hole in it before it was blown up? Of course we will have to wait for the LDM to be found, to find out who had it right.
Homar
A big Dakota howdy to my amigo Potbelly Jim and welcome to Treasurenet! It is good to hear from you.
Thank you to Deducer, wish I could remember details like that. I was under the impression that Herman had kept up his own search until his death, but the accident could be a good reason to stop.
Please do continue,
Also not the first time I've heard of some cherished family traditions or stories turn out to be, er, not so true...my family included....Best, Jim
roy..what makes you so sure the pit mine ore hasn't been compared to known samples of ldm ore?[/FONT]
　
I do notice that, and have an answer for your question - Jacob Waltz!
　
I have met Ron and liked him immediately, however I do not know him well enough to make any sweeping statements concerning him. However I would point out that there remains a rather important stumbling block to the theory as Ron proposed (and has been proposed by many others here and on other venues) in the ore itself. The assay done by Joe Porterie reportedly gave a result of some 5,321.7 ounces of gold <$110,000 per ton at the old $20.67 per ounce> per ton and 2 ounces of silver. This is a relatively high gold to silver ratio, would you not concur? While other assays done on ore from the same vein will not return the same values, the tendency of that ratio of gold to silver will usually follow the pattern. In other words the next sample might have much less gold, but it would also have much less silver. As has been discussed here ad nauseum, the mines of the Randolph district were pretty much silver mines, not gold. A few were recorded as having pockets of gold. However even in these rich pockets of gold, the amount of silver still runs very high. We do not have any assay results on the infamous Pit mine ore, however I would wager the amount of silver will run high, perhaps as much silver as gold per ton or even more silver than gold.
　
Further, no one has yet offered to have a specimen of the Pit mine ore compared by an expert to the few existing specimens attributed to Jacob Waltz, namely the match box for one example. My bet will be that the Pit mine ore will NOT match the ore used to make the famous match box.
　
So I must respectfully disagree with our mutual friend Ron Feldman, and will state that everyone is certainly welcome to their own opinions and conclusions. The Lost Dutchman's gold mine remains lost until someone will PROVE they have found it.
　
Please do continue, and NO disrespect intended to anyone including Mr Feldman, Cactusjumper and any and all friends of theirs whom support the theory of the so-called Silver Chief as the Lost Dutchman mine. Thanks for sharing the link Joe, interesting article and I look forward to seeing the documentary.
　
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I do notice that, and have an answer for your question - Jacob Waltz!
　
I have met Ron and liked him immediately, however I do not know him well enough to make any sweeping statements concerning him. However I would point out that there remains a rather important stumbling block to the theory as Ron proposed (and has been proposed by many others here and on other venues) in the ore itself. The assay done by Joe Porterie reportedly gave a result of some 5,321.7 ounces of gold <$110,000 per ton at the old $20.67 per ounce> per ton and 2 ounces of silver. This is a relatively high gold to silver ratio, would you not concur? While other assays done on ore from the same vein will not return the same values, the tendency of that ratio of gold to silver will usually follow the pattern. In other words the next sample might have much less gold, but it would also have much less silver. As has been discussed here ad nauseum, the mines of the Randolph district were pretty much silver mines, not gold. A few were recorded as having pockets of gold. However even in these rich pockets of gold, the amount of silver still runs very high. We do not have any assay results on the infamous Pit mine ore, however I would wager the amount of silver will run high, perhaps as much silver as gold per ton or even more silver than gold.
　
Further, no one has yet offered to have a specimen of the Pit mine ore compared by an expert to the few existing specimens attributed to Jacob Waltz, namely the match box for one example. My bet will be that the Pit mine ore will NOT match the ore used to make the famous match box.
　
So I must respectfully disagree with our mutual friend Ron Feldman, and will state that everyone is certainly welcome to their own opinions and conclusions. The Lost Dutchman's gold mine remains lost until someone will PROVE they have found it.
　
Please do continue, and NO disrespect intended to anyone including Mr Feldman, Cactusjumper and any and all friends of theirs whom support the theory of the so-called Silver Chief as the Lost Dutchman mine. Thanks for sharing the link Joe, interesting article and I look forward to seeing the documentary.
　
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I do notice that, and have an answer for your question - Jacob Waltz!
　
I have met Ron and liked him immediately, however I do not know him well enough to make any sweeping statements concerning him. However I would point out that there remains a rather important stumbling block to the theory as Ron proposed (and has been proposed by many others here and on other venues) in the ore itself. The assay done by Joe Porterie reportedly gave a result of some 5,321.7 ounces of gold <$110,000 per ton at the old $20.67 per ounce> per ton and 2 ounces of silver. This is a relatively high gold to silver ratio, would you not concur? While other assays done on ore from the same vein will not return the same values, the tendency of that ratio of gold to silver will usually follow the pattern. In other words the next sample might have much less gold, but it would also have much less silver. As has been discussed here ad nauseum, the mines of the Randolph district were pretty much silver mines, not gold. A few were recorded as having pockets of gold. However even in these rich pockets of gold, the amount of silver still runs very high. We do not have any assay results on the infamous Pit mine ore, however I would wager the amount of silver will run high, perhaps as much silver as gold per ton or even more silver than gold.
　
Further, no one has yet offered to have a specimen of the Pit mine ore compared by an expert to the few existing specimens attributed to Jacob Waltz, namely the match box for one example. My bet will be that the Pit mine ore will NOT match the ore used to make the famous match box.
　
So I must respectfully disagree with our mutual friend Ron Feldman, and will state that everyone is certainly welcome to their own opinions and conclusions. The Lost Dutchman's gold mine remains lost until someone will PROVE they have found it.
　
Please do continue, and NO disrespect intended to anyone including Mr Feldman, Cactusjumper and any and all friends of theirs whom support the theory of the so-called Silver Chief as the Lost Dutchman mine. Thanks for sharing the link Joe, interesting article and I look forward to seeing the documentary.
　
Best of luck
