KING JOHN WAS MURDERED HIS TREASURE DOES NOT EXIST.

Alan Hassell

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KING JOHN WAS MURDERED HIS TREASURE DOES NOT EXIST.

The following is an extract from the Bruts of England (Bruts = Histories)
Many of the Barons of England were in rebellion against King John and they invited aid from the King of France who sent his son Louis over into England with an army. So John immediately placed the castles into the hands of his foreign soldiers-aliens. In this chaos Louis was attacking castles in the South and King John was marching down from the North.
His line of march is recorded and it did not go anywhere near the wash where he is supposed to have lost his treasure with the incoming tides.
Chapter CLV (155)
And at the same time the Pope sent into England a legate who was called Swalo, and he was a priest Cardinal of Rome, for to maintain King John’s cause against the barons of England: but the barons had so huge a party and help from Louis the son of the King of France, that King John knew not whether to turn nor go. And so it befell that he would of gone to Nichole, and as he went hitherward he came to the Abbey of Swyneshead, and there he abode two days. And as he sat at meal he asked a monk of the house how much a loaf of bread was worth that was set before him on the table. And the monk said it was worth but a halfpenny. “Now” quoth the King,” and I may (leue)...., such a loaf will be worth twenty shillings (240 pence) before half a year be gone.”
And when he said these words, much he thought and often he sighed, and he took and ate the bread and said, “By God the word that I have said it shall be truth.”
The monk that stood before the King for this word was full sorry in his heart, and thought rather himself suffer piteous death, and thought to ordain perform some manner of remedy.
And anon (after) the monk went to his Abbot and was shriven by him and he told the Abbot what the King had said, and he prayed that the Abbot would assist him and he would give the King such a wassaile (good drink) that all England shall thereof be glad and joyfull.
So went the monk into the garden and found a great toad therein, and took her up and put her in a cup and pricked the toad through the broach many times, so that the venom came out on every side and went into the cup. And he took the cup and filled it with good ale, and bought it before the King, and kneeling he said, “Sir”, quoth he. “Wassaile, for never days of your life drank you of such a cup.” “Begone monk,” quoth the King, and the monk drank a great draught and took the king his cup, and the King drank also a great draught, and set down the cup.
The monk anon went into the infirmary, and there he died anon, on whose soul God have mercy, Amen.
And the monks went singing for his soul and shall do whilst that Abbey stands. The King rose up anon (afterwards) and full evil of ease, and commanded anon to remove the table and asked after the monk, and men told him he was dead for his womb was broken in sunder.
When the king heard these tidings he commanded for to trusse but that was for nought as his belly began to swell from the drink that he had drunk, that he died two days after Saint Luke’s day.
And this John had begotten fair children of his body, that is to say Henry his son, that was King and his father, and Richard was the Earl of Cornwall, and Isabel that was Empress of Rome and Ailenore (Eleanore) that was the Queen of Scotland.
And the King John when he had reigned seventeen years and five months and five days, he died in the castle of Newark and his body was buried at Winchester. Actually King John is buried at Worcester Cathedral.
So it is fairly clear that the Cardinal from Rome had King John set up and murdered in an Abbey although he was probably removed immediately to Newark Castle in an attempt to save him. Then England was restored to peace with the young boy Henry III crowned as King of Gloucester.
The crap about Kings always being crowned at Westminister and by the Bishop of Canterbury is several times wrong. As History the tale is somewhat over brief and consequently but the story of the assassination of King John is very clear.
The fact the murderous monk was for ever after revered by the church says it all.
The money flowing out from the Churches and Abbeys of England and into Rome was resumed and King John was no longer a nuisance to Rome or the Barons.
His first marriage to the Apostolic Christian Lady of Glamorgan and their daughter Joanna marrying Liewellyn the Great of North Wales is ignored, as the Church of Rome refused to recognise the Khumric Apostolic Christians founded AD 37.
The Apostolic Christians took Christianity to Rome in AD 51 and finally the British Emporer Constantine the Great allowed Christianity to be a legal religion in Rome in AD 325 just 288 years after Britain.
There never was any King John’s treasure lost in the wash as claimed by modern historians as being a true event. The story was invented as a cruel cover up to hide the fact that the Church of Rome had murdered King John and had to distance itself from the event it could never be seen to have broken its own ten commandments, Thou shalt not Kill.
The fact that this story appears in the Bruts of England is one of the reasons modern academics don’t want anyone to know about it. It is a huge embarrassment to the English Establishment too.
This is another reason the Bruts of England is such a hard book to obtain, even so academics will say, “Oh you don’t want to read that stuff,” of course they would because they have their own invented fabricated history and do not want you the public to know about real history and how it is embarrassing to them once the truth is told.
The Bruts are written in old English and many changes have taken place since then, but he meanings are the same.
 

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Two reasons why this thread is going nowhere:

1/ There's no treasure!

2/ This is a mostly yank site..and they don't give a toss about the English!

:dontknow:
 

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Dano Sverige said:
Two reasons why this thread is going nowhere:

1/ There's no treasure!

2/ This is a mostly yank site..and they don't give a toss about the English!

:dontknow:



What's an "English" :laughing9:
 

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but I do like "true history" :icon_thumright: -- there are many cases of the "popular taught" history thats been passed down --simply being -- HIS STORY-- the version that the in power rulers of the time wanted put forth. :wink: :icon_thumright:

true history is often quite differant from certain popular "fairy tale" histories passed on as truth.

there are many things that "the guardians" of controlling what the masses are taught and thus what they think do not want you to know * ---remember this ( you only can think about things that you are aware of --limit what you learn (what your aware of) - thus limiting what you can think of) -- mind control 101 --limit access to knowledge * --thats why in the "dark ages" peasants were not taught to read and write -- the bible was "read to them" by the preist during church -- "obey the king" was preached so long as the king ponyed up money to the church -- only nobles and church folks were "educated" --the rabble were kept stupid for a reason * -- knowledge was power , still is to some degree.
 

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Dano has a point there, where is England anyway :dontknow: I hear many referring to it as across the pond.. Well I went down to the pond yesterday and I saw nothing but Canadian geese :icon_scratch:

The only thing most Americans may know about Bruts, is that it's a very dry champagne :tongue3:
 

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brut - french champange
(brute) -- first king of england * historia britonum --- history of england ? -- humm
brute -- a non humanoid creature , a crude , coarse & callous to others human .
 

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Brut - Also see: A cheap cologne by Faberge hawked by Joe "Broadway" Namath :laughing9:

 

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Dano Sverige said:
Two reasons why this thread is going nowhere:

1/ There's no treasure!

2/ This is a mostly yank site..and they don't give a toss about the English!

:dontknow:

your obviously blind and have no foresight.
Sure there is no treasure but you did not know about it till you were informed and make a big deal about it.
Other people may not be aware of this too and are prepared to spend loads of dosh chasing rainbows as others have done in the past.

your wrong about this being a yank only site too. People from all walks of life and from many countries visit this site for the amount of information that's available on these boards by members making usefull and helpfull posts for others.

There are many wannabee treasure hunters too some do actually do their research and spend years plodding through ancient documents rather than modern history books that are fictions without any evidence.

Just look at the parasites that jumped on the King Arthur gravy train and wrote fictions not knowing there were two Arthur's.

There are four types of people in this world, dreamers, thinkers talkers and doer's.

What great achievements have you contributed to metal detecting or treasure hunting?

Your the type of person that wants other people to guide you to x marks the spot that's why your here, but you will not dig up treasure here you have to go seek it yourself. That means work and in this modern society some people think the world owes them a living and works a four letter word.
 

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WORK?!! Did someone say W-o-r-k?
 

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Dano Sverige

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Excuse me Alan. No harm meant. I always have a little dig at the yanks on here when i can and this was one of those times. Also, i didn't say a "yank only" site...i said "mostly", which it is.
Anyhow, i do feel this thread is a little ...deep...for the average Brit (like Shaun) and the average American (like Spartacus) and their responses just enforce my point. We do however find a gem in the pile now and then (like Ivan).

"Your the type of person that wants other people to guide you to x marks the spot that's why your here,"

...actually you're wrong mate. Detecting is just a pastime to me, and a little exercise after a mild heart attack. Apart from the beaches detecting is strictly prohibited here in Sweden, so "treasure" isn't much of an option whether anyone directs me to the "x" or not, as i'm not allowed to dig it up!

Apologies for being so petty on your thread.
 

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Dano Sverige said:
Excuse me Alan. No harm meant. I always have a little dig at the yanks on here when i can and this was one of those times. Also, i didn't say a "yank only" site...i said "mostly", which it is.
Anyhow, i do feel this thread is a little ...deep...for the average Brit (like Shaun) and the average American (like Spartacus) and their responses just enforce my point. We do however find a gem in the pile now and then (like Ivan).

"Your the type of person that wants other people to guide you to x marks the spot that's why your here,"

...actually you're wrong mate. Detecting is just a pastime to me, and a little exercise after a mild heart attack. Apart from the beaches detecting is strictly prohibited here in Sweden, so "treasure" isn't much of an option whether anyone directs me to the "x" or not, as i'm not allowed to dig it up!

Apologies for being so petty on your thread.

Dano mate, theres no harm done i just had to make a point about others not knowing it. Its something i have done all my life trying to motivate people get them interested in detecting and enjoying the hobby in general. Theres no need for an appology either everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if they are not right thats what this hobby is all about.
Oh i see your a member of the old ticker club too Ive got two stents in now but it doesnt stop me from getting out once in a blue moon even if I cannot do as much as I used too.
Good luck to you in Sweden and all the best for the future no hard feeling here take care and good luck.
alan hassell
 

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wow , those Brits across that "pond" sure are quick to let bygones be bygones.... maybe we could learn something from them..... lol
 

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allan said:
wow , those Brits across that "pond" sure are quick to let bygones be bygones.... maybe we could learn something from them..... lol
:-\

Sadly thats impossible now :-\ you have had nearly 4 hundred years to learn from your betters, but have learned sweet FA ;D

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Just teasing lol , I am from South Ruislip originally , Mom says to this day that Americans are heathens and she should know, she married one in 1957 and hasn't gotten rid of him yet !
 

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allan said:
wow , those Brits across that "pond" sure are quick to let bygones be bygones.... maybe we could learn something from them..... lol


not :P

by the way whats a king ::)
 

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