New metal detecting show to air!

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Its long but read what this guy wrote :-\

Debriefing on the first episodes of "diggers" TV Shows from ACRA-L.
Mike Polk
Sagebrush Consultants
Ogden, Utah
Report on National Geographic Channel "Diggers"

Dear Colleagues:
I watched both of the 30-minute episodes of "Diggers" broadcast yesterday
evening, although I barely made it through the second half-hour as I found
it becoming repetitively boring (and chock full of ads -- more on these,
below). The show is typical Natl Geo style -- beautiful locations, good
camera work, well-edited. But the "stars" -- the self-styled "Ringmaster" and
"King George," are buffoons-I shouldn't doubt that serious metal detecting
folks will not appreciate the caricatures. These two spend a great deal of
camera time relating their enthusiasm for finding "juice," "nectar," and
"roundness," all their terms for the buried "treasure" they excitedly dig up. I

didn't think their "discovery rush" translated all that well despite their
over-the-top efforts to whip the audience into a pot-hunting frenzy.
There's also plenty of reality TV side-show antics, such as silly bets between
the two-e.g., who comes up with the oldest item-leading to the loser having
to complete a du
mb stunt like riding a bicycle off a dock into a freezing cold lake while
in drag or licking a jellyfish washed up on the beach (I kid you not).
Happily, there was zero mention of archaeology or science, and no effort
at all trying to legitimate this activity as anything remotely educational
or additive to general knowledge. The term "artifacts" was never used and
"context" or why it's important was never brought up. The most damaging
thing, I think, about this show is that no effort was made to document where
anything came from or discussion of associations-each discovered item was
handled piece-meal. Of course, "the past" and "history" were repeatedly invoked

as cool, interesting, but ultimately, simply a source of cash. In the
first two minutes, the tone was set and the rest of the dialogue was
unwavering: "we're obsessed," "a thousand ways to cash in," "wild west loot --
we're
going to get digging" [the first episode started in Montana -- "Old
territorial prison grounds"], "so join the search," "let's plunder this pokey."
On
and on.
This show is 100 percent metal detecting with digging limited to
near-surface garden troweling -- although one piece (from a South Carolina
plantation setting), had them unearthing an item from almost a foot below the
surface. The show was very scant on details about where they were collecting,
although terms like "we were invited" and the "the owner wants us to find"
were carefully inserted. The first episode was shot in Montana -- as noted at
the old territorial prison where the "director" expressed the hope they
would find "graves" as rumor holds that some inmates were interred on the
grounds (they weren't able to locate any). Then they switched locations to a
large private ranch (Chevallier). The second episode was set in South
Carolina, first on James Island, "scene of many Civil War battles," and then a
brief stint on a beach of undisclosed location where modern coins and a ring
were found, and then to Fenwick Plantation where Revolutionary War and War
of 1812 buttons,
bullets, and coins were recovered. Having spent the past two years in an
(on-going) struggle to preserve against planned development the only War of
1812 battlefield known in Iowa, it turned my stomach to see these two
cavalierly pock-marking what was clearly a battlefield context with good
integrity, selectively removing the metal items they happened to detect-there
wasn't even a semblance of concern shown for the benefits of being systematic.
In each episode, they pocket their take -- no mention of showing or sharing
with landowners, and then they sell some and the rest is apparently kept,
although again no mention is made of recording provenience or any such
concerns. There was a disclaimer added at the end of the episode about
following local regs and getting landowner permission. This hardly mitigates the

main message of the programming that comes through loud and clear: the past is
there for the taking, help yourselves like we do, preservation isn't even
worth talking
about.
Cash, in the end, is what this show is about on two parallel levels. First
(and foremost re why made and shown) it's about advertising revenue.
Consider this list: Verizon, iPhone S, Nationwide, GEICO, Mazda, Acura, Volvo,
Sam Adams, Heineken, and CSX Rail -- these are the majors. What strikes me
as especially telling is that the personas Ringmaster and King George
project is anything but a Heineken-drinking, Volvo-driving, iPhone-using
demographic. I'm not sure what to make of the combination of bozo-behavior on a

seemingly respectable, education-oriented channel like Natl Geo, but maybe we
are witnessing the descent of Natl Geo into the realm of unabashedly
"whatever" programming. For the moment, they are a preferred venue for Heineken

and Volvo, but maybe in a year or two it will be Bud Light and Chevy.
Secondly, the expressed driving motivation for Ringmaster and King George is
the
cash value of the items they recover, plain and simple. I thought I might
learn something about the how-to aspect of metal detecting, pros and cons
of different equipment, etc., but this really wasn't the point any more than
being concerned about adversely impacting nonrenewable resources was the
focus. Ironic that both CSX Rail and Mazda ran ads focused on the importance
of preserving the environment -- CSX promotes "Nature is spectacular --
let's keep it that way" while Mazda tied themselves to "The Lorax" movie that
is recently out (or about to be released).
To close this overly lengthy report, I'll never intentionally watch this
program again as there is simply nothing of value to it, not even mindless
entertainment. I hope this is the general response, and Natl Geo drops it.
After all, they can readily profit from their programming like "Doomsday
Preppers" or "American Weed."
John Doershuk
State Archaeologist
University of Iowa
 

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I cant say I disagree with the guy....................I bet my field reports are as detailed as his,and it appals me that there was even a $ value mentioned let alone the whole basis of the shows.They cant take this show off soon enough
 

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Well,

I watched both episodes. The very first thing I have to say is that - even though I'm pretty sure I've been detecting much longer than the folks on
the show - I have never heard of the terms they use - like "juice" - "joose", civ, cav, round, etc., etc. It sounds like the hobby changed when I wasn't paying attention.

Second, that facebook deal has turned out to be really nasty - but, frankly, I believe that they are putting shows like "Bering Sea" or whatever its called, the Nome and Yukon guys and all that other sort of stuff - NOT to promote but to specifically to portray folks like us as being greedy, stupid, uneducated, foolish, lazy and a menace to society. I think folks in National Geographic and the like have the ulterior motives to get all of it banned.

I'm not sure we should be helping them.


Beth
 

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mrs.oroblanco said:
Well,

I watched both episodes. The very first thing I have to say is that - even though I'm pretty sure I've been detecting much longer than the folks on
the show - I have never heard of the terms they use - like "juice" - "joose", civ, cav, round, etc., etc. It sounds like the hobby changed when I wasn't paying attention.

Second, that facebook deal has turned out to be really nasty - but, frankly, I believe that they are putting shows like "Bering Sea" or whatever its called, the Nome and Yukon guys and all that other sort of stuff - NOT to promote but to specifically to portray folks like us as being greedy, stupid, uneducated, foolish, lazy and a menace to society. I think folks in National Geographic and the like have the ulterior motives to get all of it banned.

I'm not sure we should be helping them.


Beth

You make a very good point Beth.
these channels have never been particularly
Pro Peoples Rights. Except if they wear a loincloth
& Boil heads.

They have always been, "Hug a tree",
& "Pray for the Flowers" types
 

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mrs.oroblanco said:
Well,

I watched both episodes. The very first thing I have to say is that - even though I'm pretty sure I've been detecting much longer than the folks on
the show - I have never heard of the terms they use - like "juice" - "joose", civ, cav, round, etc., etc. It sounds like the hobby changed when I wasn't paying attention.

Second, that facebook deal has turned out to be really nasty - but, frankly, I believe that they are putting shows like "Bering Sea" or whatever its called, the Nome and Yukon guys and all that other sort of stuff - NOT to promote but to specifically to portray folks like us as being greedy, stupid, uneducated, foolish, lazy and a menace to society. I think folks in National Geographic and the like have the ulterior motives to get all of it banned.

I'm not sure we should be helping them.


Beth

I am usually a conspiracy theory type person, and I am amazed I never considered this!
 

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mrs.oroblanco said:
Well,

I watched both episodes. The very first thing I have to say is that - even though I'm pretty sure I've been detecting much longer than the folks on
the show - I have never heard of the terms they use - like "juice" - "joose", civ, cav, round, etc., etc. It sounds like the hobby changed when I wasn't paying attention.

Second, that facebook deal has turned out to be really nasty - but, frankly, I believe that they are putting shows like "Bering Sea" or whatever its called, the Nome and Yukon guys and all that other sort of stuff - NOT to promote but to specifically to portray folks like us as being greedy, stupid, uneducated, foolish, lazy and a menace to society. I think folks in National Geographic and the like have the ulterior motives to get all of it banned.

I'm not sure we should be helping them.


Beth
I think u are spot on.I hunt,and have proffessionaly most my life....watch the Game Warden shows....they make hunters out to all be dumb,rednecks
 

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Any way i can watch these shows on the net?


I have not watched tv in over 8 years...


Blaze
 

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i think this show sucked. i found juice? its more like i found wtf hey look i found a gun it was so fake i couldnt stand it
 

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kuger said:
Just as I thought........everything revolves around $$$.Inflated dollar values,now all of my landowners are going to think my average day on there property is $100 day.Nice!I see no benefit to anyone.Also didnt notice them fill a single hole?
And not one mention of the code of ethics, pretty disturbing if you ask me.
 

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handy said:
i think this show sucked. i found juice? its more like i found wtf hey look i found a gun it was so fake i couldnt stand it

I thought the gun was a plant, when he first yelled.
But when it turned out to be
a flattened out Toy, I Believe he found it.

Not sure why he was disappointed though.
I Like finding toy guns in any shape.


the Spoon that looked like it was used as a Shiv
(Crunched up) in the Prison yard was their other
cool find, I Would have like to have made.
Plus Metal spoons in Prisons are like Metal spoons
on Airlines. Past history. would like to know if it had
an engraving.

as for planting finds Tom on Gold fever has found handgun(s)
on the last few shows I watched. in a Cave, at Ghost towns,
He never says "OH a Toy" he just rambles on as usual
suggesting it's real, and
about the wild west
or pirates, or something :tongue3: Has me wondering
if he finds the same toy gun on
every show about detecting for relics now. :laughing7:
 

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These guys were off the wall. They made me laugh. They tended to get a little excited, (IH penny, Bullet lead). "I wish they had acted like they had metal detected before." They never showed what was done with the finds, as they left it they had them, not given to the owners. I would not mind detecting with these two, they would make for any interesting day. I was a little concerned over the evaluating of the finds. They don,t have a clue on what condition and collectors desire will do for a price/value. $50 for the IH was out of line. The vocabulary was odd not normal, probably only these two use all of it. They could probably improve the show by making the history and rarity of there finds instead of value. I have never sold a find, but I might if the price is right or I start finding more jewelry.

Bottom line, they did not harm the hobby. I know about 75 detectorist and none are like these two. I got a good laugh out of the show. I would watch more, but not to learn about detecting or how to detect. They are a bit out there.

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You'll need lots of cussing and demeaning comments being exchanged. Then you'll need a steady discovery of awesome relics (from ancient Roman goodies to Rev War to Inca treasure) and lots of rare old coins & gold jewelry.

This shouldn't be too difficult.
 

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I did forget to mention that they said they were contacted by the owner of each location. This method or way of getting permission would have been interesting to see. I usually have to ask for permission not have them ask me?

Ed D.
 

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Born2Dtect said:
I did forget to mention that they said they were contacted by the owner of each location. This method or way of getting permission would have been interesting to see. I usually have to ask for permission not have them ask me?

Ed D.

a writeup in the Local Papers
National Geographic Signs up with Local Detectorists.
then an article mentioning they are looking for places to film.
I'm sure if they would do this they would
get all kinds of offers. wouldn't surprise me if they did.
 

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well i did some research and boy what i found is not good,this is what the American Archaeology had to say,,,(Late last week the Society for American Archaeology Board was informed that there are two TV series planned that promote and glorify the looting and destruction of archaeological sites. They are American Diggers and Diggers. The first is scheduled for Spike TV and the other for National Geographic TV. As past SAA President Bob Kelly wrote in a recent e-mail in response to American Diggers, "This shameless and shameful program will glorify and promote the mindless destruction of archaeological sites in the U.S."
 

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When I first began metal detecting, I had visions of gold and silver and becoming rich from my finds. in time I came to realize thru researching sites that there is a bigger picture to the hobby than just dollar signs. I now document my finds utilizing GPS ,photos and not mixing finds from different sites together. I have been sharing my info with our state archaeology dept. Both they and I realize there is no way professional archeaologists will ever be able to locate and document all the sites in our country. By sharing my info, it at least adds to the knowledge base about our state. I think it is the right thing to do.

The TV shows "Diggers" and "American Diggers" may not be breaking any laws but they are sending out the wrong message about what the hobby is all about, at least for me. I also think it is going to cause a lot of new folks to get into detecting with the wrong idea and unless those folks are taught quickly how to do things the right way, sites will become off-limits to many folks that treat the hobby with respect.
 

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only real problem I see with "Diggers"
is there Exagerated Pricing.

The rest is all Fluff due to personalities, & Ratings Grabbing.
I can live with that.
 

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I couldnt believe it today a friend of mine came by to hang out..
I showed him my Feature Find in this months W&Eastern Treasures magazine and he says....

Oh you got some "Juice" :o

I almost dropped to the ground then he says hey did you catch that metal detecting show on National Geographic...

This rural small town and small state..

I have mixed feeling about this :dontknow:

If i had the opportunity would i take it :icon_scratch:
Probably i mean we all would like to do this and make a living..

Just making slang or somewhat "Ebonic" names for our history is kind of defeating the old fashioned purpose..

I just dont know :BangHead:


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spartacus53 said:
I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see what is found, but spending an hour to find a possible zinc penny isn't on my list for entertainment.

Heck, I can do that in real life. :laughing9:
 

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