Old tool found in condemned building

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Been trying for years to figure these out. Only markings is “patent applied for”. The round thing on the top jaw is actually a roller and the bottom jaw is wedged with a 1/8” flat area that presses against whatever is between the jaws. I appreciate any input.
 

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usually I am pretty good at this game.... but this has me stumped. looks like there is a pat number or something on it . look it up!
 

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As in my description, no numbers, no markings except “patent applied for”
 

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My mind says it's some kind of specialty scrolling pliers or tongs but I haven't found a like image yet. The rounded part helps keep a consistent sized ring or loop in your material. The jaw holds the material. Sometimes tools like these were made with round jaws on both sides, sometimes each a different size so you could scroll two different size loops.
 

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Hmmm, still not sure about the roller. Wouldn't really be needed for scrolling.:dontknow:
 

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I believe they were called "edge forming" pliers for sheet metal work. Like those used to put the crimp end on a stove pipe.
 

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91ABB08A-76CD-4425-AC08-79617DA9716E.jpeg 91ABB08A-76CD-4425-AC08-79617DA9716E.jpeg 3372A776-7BAB-4051-93D5-B5167BA7945C.jpeg The wedge on the bottom jaw does not touch the roller on the upper.
 

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bowwinkles, those are what I was referring to but never heard them referred to as bail-making pliers, but it's the same process. I'm still wondering why the rolling feature...
 

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bowwinkles, those are what I was referring to but never heard them referred to as bail-making pliers, but it's the same process. I'm still wondering why the rolling feature...

It appears from viewing several videos on bail pliers is that when you are making a spring like item you have to continuously grip and roll the wire or metal in-order to achieve the coil effect. The size of the coil is determined by the roller size on the pliers. Folks in that business would have a set of pliers with different sized rollers to make a variety of coils. Some pliers may have as many as three rollers stepped down in size on the jaw of the pliers. Situations where a person is making only one size then he would only have bail pliers for that size only.
 

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