Possible fire starter rock, plummet, pottery shard and a few drilled items.

[jamus peek]

Hey guy's thanks for the replies on previous posts. I believe I have found a few artifacts. 2 drilled wood items were found in a tree hollow I thought they were nothing but both have drilled holes at the top and have the same shape one looks worked. Card with a drilled hole with finger grooves. Metamorphic rock with a large hole drilled thought maybe a fire starter. possible plummet really grinded down to grain. Piece of pottery. Also eagle or bird like lizard. Thanks in advance for the look.

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[capsmith]

Did you find some of those in a creek?

 

[jamus peek]

Did you find some of those in a creek?

Yes! All by a creek some in a creek. I tend to find stone items in the creek I work.

 

[Indian Steve]

Sorry but most of your stuff looks like naturals to me. The last flat piece with a hole in it looks like asbestos siding piece to me. Do more research and keep hunting. Relics will come someday.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I have to agree. Everything looks to be natural and not made by the hand of man.

 

[jamus peek]

I have to agree. Everything looks to be natural and not made by the hand of man.

Sorry Grim these items are not natural. You have misdiagnosed to many of my items.

 

[quito]

LOL! here we go again!

We aren't medical professionals and we don't diagnose here. But we sure can identify artifacts.

And I am with Grim, you have a bunch of natural rocks there, and one item that may not be natural, but imho looks to flat to be NA pottery.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Sorry Grim these items are not natural. You have misdiagnosed to many of my items.

You can be sorry all you want. Those are not artifacts and not even close. If you wish to learn then you will listen to what all of the very experienced collectors here are telling you. Or you can continue to bring home the same rocks on every trip and have you a very nice rock collection.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

By the way, these are Plummets and I also pictured some true pieces of Pottery. As far as "Fire Starters" go, I believe they are just a figment of someones imagination that first found a small stone with a divot in it. I have yet to see one stone like that that can actually be proven it was used to start fires with.

The first two pictures of Pottery are personal finds from southern Ohio. The next two are from Georgia and the last one from a Mandan site near Bismark North Dakota and a gift from Steve Bauman (larson1951), God rest his soul.

 

[civil_war22]

While my finds don't look as nice as Grims I do have to say that what him and the others were saying that all your rocks are just that. Very nice driveway fillers

 

[jamus peek]

obviously a piece of pottery.

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California fire starting rock. Almost identical in size and shape. Obvious work inside the hole. Also as per the archeologist I am working with. The geological area is mid to late Miocene. Which does not harbor this type of rock.

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Also definitely made by man.

3 obvious items that are not natural.

As viewers can tell I am not part of the cool crowd. Notice how the bullies act on this forum. There is plenty of evidence that man made these items.

side view of drilled item.


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To clarify I am not an Indian Artifact collector. I enjoy hunting for lots of different things. On my first trip to the a state university near by I met an archeologist. He was a really cool guy and informed me that what I had found were nothing in which I took as a learning experience. He showed me the hoard of artifacts they had. I asked why they were not in a museum. There really was not much of a reply. He gave me lots of information to go over and learn as I am going to school for Anthropology. I was given material to read. One thing that stood out to me was here in California the local tribe is still not recognized federally. According to the federal government the local tribe is extinct. This really upset me as you can tell I wear my heart on my sleeve. My goal is to recover artifacts and donate all that I can legally donate to the local tribe here who I have not yet met. I have donated 3 items to a local museum they are not on display yet. 2 of which I have posted here and were diagnosed as rocks here by every post. I wonder if when I post these items that were verified if some of these guys piling up against me would admit they were wrong like I have done with things that were diagnosed correctly here on the site.

Maybe posting certain things is taboo if so private message me or some people have a lot to learn about California Artifacts.

 

[jamus peek]

While my finds don't look as nice as Grims I do have to say that what him and the others were saying that all your rocks are just that. Very nice driveway fillers

Pretty sure the 300 viewers so far can see that they are not all rocks even if they were natural. To all the viewers here see the kind of stuff that go's on here. It's sad that a good percentage of these likes are from teaming up against posters.

 

[jamus peek]

LOL! here we go again!

We aren't medical professionals and we don't diagnose here. But we sure can identify artifacts.

And I am with Grim, you have a bunch of natural rocks there, and one item that may not be natural, but imho looks to flat to be NA pottery.

Obviously you do diagnose. If somebody posts an item and you give a response on what you believe it is that is called diagnosing.

 

[creekhunter]

These folks are trying to help you out, but if you refuse to learn/listen, what else is expected here then.

 

[jamus peek]

These folks are trying to help you out, but if you refuse to learn/listen, what else is expected here then.

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creekhunter look at these 3 items and explain to me how they are natural. Also I am not here to get help. I have experts that are doing that for me. Just wanted to show some stuff. I am not here to make enemies trying to have a civil debate. I was trying to make some friends who were interested in what I am interested in.

This is a California fire starting rock. pic did not show up on earlier post.
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[creekhunter]

Water dripping made the first hole, second rock could be anything from later man made, but really doesn't resemble pottery of any type know to man these days, so if it is something Native American you have found a totally new item that no one has found hunting in several hundred years, the third relic once again had water dripping on it to make the hole, and if it was drilled by the hands of an ancient, what wold be its purpose, certainly not hanging around your neck, The grooves are probably from glacier work but mother nature for sure. At least that is all any of us can tell from a picture. If you post here you will get opinions, nothing more. We all based our opinions from know items that have been found and authenticated. The Native Americans were amazing craftsman and usually it showed in most of there possessions. That is my take on it, sorry if you don't agree but that is why this forum is here. I look forward to seeing finds here and get excited for the finder, I am not out to ruin anyone's day.

 

[jamus peek]

Water dripping made the first hole, second rock could be anything from later man made, but really doesn't resemble pottery of any type know to man these days, so if it is something Native American you have found a totally new item that no one has found hunting in several hundred years, the third relic once again had water dripping on it to make the hole, and if it was drilled by the hands of an ancient, what wold be its purpose, certainly not hanging around your neck, The grooves are probably from glacier work but mother nature for sure. At least that is all any of us can tell from a picture. If you post here you will get opinions, nothing more. We all based our opinions from know items that have been found and authenticated. The Native Americans were amazing craftsman and usually it showed in most of there possessions. That is my take on it, sorry if you don't agree but that is why this forum is here. I look forward to seeing finds here and get excited for the finder, I am not out to ruin anyone's day.

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Here is the side view of the relic with the small hole. Also the lines running across are grooved. I appreciate opinions. If I give an opinion and somebody finds out more information and there is evidence my opinion is wrong I would like to be corrected.

 

[civil_war22]

Pretty sure the 300 viewers so far can see that they are not all rocks even if they were natural. To all the viewers here see the kind of stuff that go's on here. It's sad that a good percentage of these likes are from teaming up against posters.

The 300 views are because you posted it and I like many on here look to see what all has been posted throughout the day. I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers or make anyone mad by giving my two cents. I collect/ dig for arrowheads and artifacts just as I do civil war relics just because my passion is civil war relics doesn't mean I don't know jack squat about Indian artifacts. My family is cherokee and on mom's side is Choctaw two not so old tribes but I know alot about them and have learned through the years about both of their cultures and the Indians that settled in this area and that's how I do so well at what I do. Research, technique, and listening to what the old timers would tell me about the past and people with experience in these fields has got me where I am today.

As far as diagnosing we don't diagnose here. Someome provides the info which may include pics and a brief summary of the item and general description of where it was found and we analyze what we have before us and then make a educated guess at what we see. What most of the experts here have in their brains won't be found in books it's years of experience that helped them gain the knowledge of knowing what they do today. So when someone looks at your stuff from now on be greatful they even responded. No one has to post, no one has to add to what you say. We do it for the bond we all share as hobbyist and to help out our fellow brother and sister who are still learning

 

[jamus peek]

The 300 views are because you posted it and I like many on here look to see what all has been posted throughout the day. I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers or make anyone mad by giving my two cents. I collect/ dig for arrowheads and artifacts just as I do civil war relics just because my passion is civil war relics doesn't mean I don't know jack squat about Indian artifacts. My family is cherokee and on mom's side is Choctaw two not so old tribes but I know alot about them and have learned through the years about both of their cultures and the Indians that settled in this area and that's how I do so well at what I do. Research, technique, and listening to what the old timers would tell me about the past and people with experience in these fields has got me where I am today.


As far as diagnosing we don't diagnose here. Someome provides the info which may include pics and a brief summary of the item and general description of where it was found and we analyze what we have before us and then make a educated guess at what we see. What most of the experts here have in their brains won't be found in books it's years of experience that helped them gain the knowledge of knowing what they do today. So when someone looks at your stuff from now on be greatful they even responded. No one has to post, no one has to add to what you say. We do it for the bond we all share as hobbyist and to help out our fellow brother and sister who are still learning

If I get different opinions from professionals in my side of town I feel it would be a service to the learning process to speak up. I will keep you in tune. If I am wrong which I am okay with I will be the first to let you know

 

[civil_war22]

Well thank you for being civil. It helps for everyone to get along.