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[Rebel - KGC]

Solemn musings from the Tiki Bar... MUST be a SLOOOWWW night!

 

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[bigscoop]

Solemn musings from the Tiki Bar... MUST be a SLOOOWWW night!

I have no plans for today, other then repacking what I've already unpacked and put away. Look's like another adventure looming on the horizon....

 

[ECS]

...but will it be a perilous adventure?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL!

 

[bigscoop]

...but will it be a perilous adventure?

Aren't they all?
Then again, I guess it's all in who pens the tale.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Eh...? Pins the Tail on the DONKEY...?

 

[ECS]

Exactly. And when there's really nothing in existence to even establish the possibility that the tale is anything other then fiction, and with so much fact in existence to discredit the tale......rather a pointless venture "these days", to say the least.

Now if we can come up with a story like a topographic butter map found 30 years ago in the root cellar of a long demolished tavern in the town once called Liberty in Bedford county.
We can say the butter map had the carved initials "TJB" and an "X", but before we could photograph this bit of provenance, being made of butter, it melted after exposure to the sun- but a hand drawn copy was made years after the discovery from memory.

 

[ECS]

... You see, if the author penned it, and what he penned is neither accurate or factual, then guess what.
But true believers simply deny all of this mounting concrete evidence, they try to find excuses for the author's inaccuracies and deceptions rather then to accept that the story is just another treasure tale.
It's the lack of any evidence whatsoever in support of the tale that permits them to continue to believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

It is this total "lack of any evidence whatsoever in support of the tale" that makes it possible for others like the Harts, Innis, Ellis, Bauman, Piper, and Eldo on these threads to create supplemental and additional versions to the original 1885 dime novel Beale story.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Got a list of names, eh...? "HIT" list...?

 

[ECS]

OK, here's your chance to make yourself famous in all Beale circles, and beyond.
All you have to do is to post a single point of provenance in support of the adventure or treasure related details in the Beale narration.
That's it. It's that simple.
However, keep in mind that all he-said-she-said, assumption, and speculation ISN'T provenance.
I'm betting nobody can post anything, and with good reason. Because there isn't any actual provenance in support of any of it. So if you want to be believed, or if you want to be taken seriously, then it's now or never.
So you either got it or you don't. (And don't bother to post that you're not going to post that provenance in order to protect it, at this juncture that's just the same as saying, "Nope. I ain't got any either.")

...and that's the real heart of the matter.

 

[Treasures2Find]

...and that's the real heart of the matter.

You guys sound awfully sure of yourselves. Wow, I wonder why such great minds haven't broken the codes by now.

 

[ECS]

Thomas J. Beale, the man who was "universally known"...and yet nobody can even find any provenance of his actual existence?
How is this possible if he was universally known, even on a local scale? Sure, folks can speculate as to he was but if he was even anything close to what the author described then why no provenance yet?
This type of thing, and more, is the real problem with the narration.

Combine that with NO records of a Beale Party Expedition to the Spanish southwest, or their purchases of all the equipment they needed in Santa Fe; the Spanish Territorial government monitored the comings and goings of Americans in their land, and maintained extensive records, while others are recorded, NO BEALE PARTY is mentioned.

 

[Treasures2Find]

Thomas J. Beale, the man who was "universally known"...and yet nobody can even find any provenance of his actual existence? How is this possible if he was universally known, even on a local scale? Sure, folks can speculate as to he was but if he was even anything close to what the author described then why no provenance yet? This type of thing, and more, is the real problem with the narration.

What, you expected everyone in town to have written a book about him? The story wasn't in the public eye until 1885, so why would anyone before that time want to document the man?

 

[franklin]

What, you expected everyone in town to have written a book about him? The story wasn't in the public eye until 1885, so why would anyone before that time want to document the man?

Good question.

 

[Eldo]

Now if we can come up with a story like a topographic butter map found 30 years ago in the root cellar of a long demolished tavern in the town once called Liberty in Bedford county.
We can say the butter map had the carved initials "TJB" and an "X", but before we could photograph this bit of provenance, being made of butter, it melted after exposure to the sun- but a hand drawn copy was made years after the discovery from memory.

You do know a lot about story telling that's for sure.

We can also say that this TJB is a Brand used by the 8 Bar N Bar P ranchers that were in Arizona near the location of their mines.



Or you can try to dispel the facts shown in the photo with another form of concocted logic we call an excuse for a lack of performance.

The endless denial complexes used here are so trivial the rest of the world has flown by you seeing the movement that was started by these discoveries.

The Confederate Statutes and Statues have been brought down and they are fighting over the last scraps of their "provenance"

Even on this site.....lol

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Eh...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You do know a lot about story telling that's for sure.

We can also say that this TJB is a Brand used by the 8 Bar N Bar P ranchers that were in Arizona near the location of their mines.

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Or you can try to dispel the facts shown in the photo with another form of concocted logic we call an excuse for a lack of performance.

The endless denial complexes used here are so trivial the rest of the world has flown by you seeing the movement that was started by these discoveries.

The Confederate Statutes and Statues have been brought down and they are fighting over the last scraps of their "provenance"

Even on this site.....lol

NOTHING more on this, then...

 

[ECS]

Two months have gone by, almost 1500 views, 58 post, still not a single post containing provenance. Where are all of the "so certain claimants?" Surely they have some actual provenance to post....or do they?

2 1/2 years have now gone by, AND STILL …No actual provenance posted on this or the other Beale threads.
Well alrighty now!

 

[franklin]

Well my decipherment led me to a sink hole about 15 feet wide and depression of about 2 feet behind a Maple Stump. Just like the decipherment said it would be located and I did find two silver coins across the branch, one dated 1817 from France. The other a Pillar Dollar dated 1818. Peter Viemeister made pencil tracings of the coins. I sold the coins on Ebay. A little provenance that no one else has shown. But still provenance.

 

[ECS]

...but a sinkhole is NOT the stone lined vault described in the "letters", neither are coins mentioned in the Beale Papers to qualify as provenance as from the alleged Beale treasure.