Shipwreck finder seeks home for remnants of Lady Elgin

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ARTIFACTS:The ship was famous when it sank in 1860, but museums aren't interested.

BY MICHAEL TARM
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CHICAGO - The rusty, 3-foot-long steam whistle Harry Zych cradles in his arms screamed in alarm 146 years ago this month as the stately USM Lady Elgin foundered and sank just north of Chicago -- one of the 19th century's worst maritime disasters.
A schooner had just sliced into the paddle-wheeled luxury steamer, breaching its hull and spilling its more than 500 passengers into Lake Michigan. All but about 100 would die within hours in the cold, storm-driven waters.
While its demise on Sept. 8, 1860, once captured the attention of Americans in the 19th century in much the way the sinking of the Titanic would in the 20th, the Queen of the Lakes -- as the Lady Elgin also was called -- is now largely forgotten.
Not, however, by Zych, who poured more than $200,000 and 20 years into locating the wreck, fought the state of Illinois over its artifacts and now finds himself in another battle: to win over museums that aren't interested in a ship unless it is named Titanic.
"This ship was the Holy Grail for shipwreck hunters around the Great Lakes," says the grizzled, hard-talking Zych. "But there just isn't interest out there.... I've been turned down by one museum after another."
The 58-year-old Vietnam veteran located the Lady Elgin's long-lost wreckage in 1989 five miles off Highland Park, in Chicago's northern suburbs. In 1999, he won a 10-year legal battle with the state over ownership of the wreck.
The sleek white Lady Elgin was one of the best-known ships plying the Great Lakes, and whenever it pulled into ports, crowds gathered to gawk, said Brendon Baillod, a Great Lakes maritime historian.
"Worldwide, she was definitely the Titanic of her day," Baillod said. The ship's sinking even inspired a song, "Lost on the Lady Elgin," which became popular during the Civil War.
Among Zych's artifacts are parts of musical instruments and a chandelier, under which passengers danced until the collision with a 130-foot, Chicago-bound schooner -- the Augusta.
The Augusta rammed the 250-foot Lady Elgin's bow first, sheering off one of the larger ship's paddle wheels, then punching through its hull. The Lady Elgin flooded and sank within 30 minutes, while the Augusta stayed intact and sailed on to Chicago.
The whistle, which Zych says "sounded the death knell of the Lady Elgin," is among his most treasured artifacts. Among the several hundred others are china plates, swords, rifles and a spoon engraved with the words "Lady Elgin."
Zych said he has contacted about a dozen museums around Chicago about the artifacts. He blames their disinterest in part on what he calls a misplaced emphasis on flashy, entertainment-oriented exhibits.
"They don't want the hard artifacts anymore," he said. "They want the kind of display where kids can push buttons and then move on to the next entertainment."
Greg Borzo, an official at Chicago's Field Museum, said museums do face tough choices about what artifacts to exhibit. Less than one half of1 percent of the 23 million artifacts housed at the Field Museum is on public display, he said. Borzo was unaware of any contact between the museum and Zych.
Baillod said museums could be especially wary of Lady Elgin artifacts because of legal action begun in 1989 in which Illinois accused Zych of stealing artifacts. A later lawsuit sought state ownership of the ship's wreckage.
The Illinois Supreme Court sided with Zych in 1999, saying he was the rightful owner of the wreck.
"There's still a lot of baggage associated with the Lady Elgin because of the vilification by the state of Harry during the lawsuit," Baillod said. "The vilification wasn't justified. But some museums would deny him entry because of it."
Worst of all, claims Zych, was that the lawsuit opened the way for unscrupulous divers to loot the wreck while a court order barred him from going near it. Among the items they may have hauled away are the Lady Elgin's bell and ship's wheel.
Dave Blanchette, spokesman for the Illinois State Preservation Agency, defended the lawsuit, saying the state had to try to establish state ownership in the name of historical preservation.
"There's no doubt that the common perception out there was, 'Hey, finders, keepers,' " he said. "But the state had the bigger-picture issue in mind."
 

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wow thats an amzing story but what really struck me was the legal battle if he won the rights to the wreck then that case could be used as legal precident in almsot any other case presided over by a US judge couldn't it? maybe [eg leg should give this guy a call and ask him to donate some pices of his shipwreck to his wrestraunt lol
 

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Shipwreck hunter seeks a home for Lady Elgin artifacts

By Michael Tarm, Associated Press | September 24, 2006

CHICAGO -- The rusty, 3-foot-long steam whistle Harry Zych cradles in his arms screamed in alarm as the stately USM Lady Elgin foundered and sank just north of Chicago 146 years ago -- one of the 19th century's worst maritime disasters.

A schooner had just sliced into the paddle-wheeled luxury steamer, breaching the hull and spilling the more than 500 passengers and crew into Lake Michigan. All but about 100 died.

While its demise on Sept. 8, 1860 once captured the attention of Americans in the 19th century in much the way the sinking of the Titanic would in the 20th, the Queen of the Lakes -- as the Lady Elgin also was called -- is now largely forgotten.

Not, however, by Zych. The 58-year-old Vietnam veteran poured more than $200,000 and 20 years into locating the vessel, fought the state of Illinois over the artifacts, and now finds himself in another battle: to win over museums that aren't interested in a ship unless it is named Titanic.

Zych located the Lady Elgin's long-lost wreckage in 1989 5 miles off Highland Park, in Chicago's northern suburbs. In 1999 , he won a 10-year legal battle with the state over ownership of the wreck.

The sleek, white Lady Elgin was one of the best known ships plying the Great Lakes, and whenever it pulled into ports crowds gathered to gawk, said Brendon Baillod, a Great Lakes maritime historian.

``Worldwide, she was definitely the Titanic of her day," Baillod said. The sinking even inspired a song, ``Lost on the Lady Elgin," which became popular during the Civil War.

Even so, Baillod said fascination with the Titanic has overshadowed the Lady Elgin and virtually all other shipwrecks since the ocean liner sank in 1912 , killing more than 1,500 passengers and crew.

``Artifacts from most shipwrecks aren't attractive to museums anymore," Baillod said. ``The Titanic's sexy because of the [1997 ] movie. Other shipwrecks are not."

Among Zych's artifacts are parts of musical instruments and an entire chandelier, under which passengers danced until the collision with a 130-foot, Chicago-bound schooner -- the Augusta.

The Augusta rammed the 250-foot Lady Elgin's bow first, sheering off one of the larger ship's paddle wheels, then punching through the hull. The Lady Elgin flooded and sank within 30 minutes, while the Augusta stayed intact and sailed on to Chicago.

The whistle, which Zych says ``sounded the death knell of the Lady Elgin," is among his most treasured artifacts. Among the several hundred others are china plates, swords, rifles, and a spoon engraved with the words ``Lady Elgin."

Zych has contacted museums around Chicago about the artifacts. He blames their disinterest in part on what he calls a misplaced emphasis on flashy, entertainment-oriented exhibits.

Greg Borzo, an official at Chicago's Field Museum, said museums face tough choices about what artifacts to exhibit. Less than one - half of 1 percent of the 23 million artifacts housed at the Field Museum is on public display, he said.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...hunter_seeks_a_home_for_lady_elgin_artifacts/
 

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This is amazing.
Less than one-half of 1 per cent of the 23 million artifacts go on display for the public to see.
But what is not being told is these artifacts are for SALE and not for donation.
What I am looking for is DONATIONS and not items for sale. These donated items are for Permanent display.
It is hard for me to believe that in Americas Oldest Town real artifacts from the Pirate era are not to be found.
If you do not believe that Treasure that is recovered from the waters around the State of Florida are part of our history then I suggest that when you recover SOMETHING-ANYTHING watch what the State of Florida does-They TAKE IT and lock it away so NO ONE can see and chances are good they will also lock you away.
What I am looking for is not gold or silver anything (it would be nice) but a few bottles, bronze nails, cannon balls etc.
There are several hundreds of thousands of foreign visitors come to St. Augustine every year and yet NEVER see any real artifacts that have been recovered from the Sea.
This is a part of America History that they never get to see but you can change this to a small degree by donating any small items that has been recovered from anywhere in the U.S.
I will get off my soap box for now.
Have a great Sunday everyone.
Peg Leg
 

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