SPANISH COINS mean Spainish treasure..

[Charlie P. (NY)]

It doesn't take a degree to know when you found treasure.

Maybe someone with an archaeological degree would have found it by now if it hadn't been raped so badly. ;-) If it exists.

It does if you don't find precious metals or jewels and all else has been destroyed looking for those things. If you could proved the Templers were there in 1300's that would be a fantastic treasure of information. If you go in like an ape with a backhoe until you hit pretty-pretty glitter you're not going to catch the details.

I bet someone like you was throwing the documents in the flames at the Library of Alexandria as he tunneled through the racks looking for gold.

Kudos to Mr. Smith for trying, but He should have tried Carol Martin, who was the site manager for the Western Archaeological Center & Conservation Center in Tuscon, AZ. She was lead aarchaeologist for the Canyon. Mr. Marks was a park superintendent (one of many) and previously had been at the Fire Island National Seashore (Long Island/NY) and likely would have had an administrative or forest services degree, if any. Not archaeology.

It's not quite "Draw Binky", but I don't see where a degree is a requirement of being a Park Service Superintendent. The current Superintendent of Yellowstone has a degree in architecture. But it is GS-15 and that's right up there.

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[Old Silver]

Maybe someone with an archaeological degree would have found it by now if it hadn't been raped so badly. ;-) If it exists.

How? With a trowel and brush?

It does if you don't find precious metals or jewels and all else has been destroyed looking for those things. If you could proved the Templers were there in 1300's that would be a fantastic treasure of information. If you go in like an ape with a backhoe until you hit pretty-pretty glitter you're not going to catch the details.

True, but you don't have to have a degree to use your head. Common sense is all that would have been required. I would have welcomed archaeologist there, just that I wouldn't have given them control.

I bet someone like you was throwing the documents in the flames at the Library of Alexandria as he tunneled through the racks looking for gold.

Now here is a display of skeptics hypocrisy. If we had the library of Alexandria, people LIKE YOU would be spending your time trying to prove that everything written there was nothing but myth.
I assure you, you don't know me. I'm a historian and have great appreciation for history. I guess that's one reason why it angers me to see our history in the control of liars, who care more about their careers than they do about the truth.

 

[gollum]

Maybe someone with an archaeological degree would have found it by now if it hadn't been raped so badly. ;-) If it exists.

It does if you don't find precious metals or jewels and all else has been destroyed looking for those things. If you could proved the Templers were there in 1300's that would be a fantastic treasure of information. If you go in like an ape with a backhoe until you hit pretty-pretty glitter you're not going to catch the details.

I bet someone like you was throwing the documents in the flames at the Library of Alexandria as he tunneled through the racks looking for gold.

Kudos to Mr. Smith for trying, but He should have tried Carol Martin, who was the site manager for the Western Archaeological Center & Conservation Center in Tuscon, AZ. She was lead aarchaeologist for the Canyon. Mr. Marks was a park superintendent (one of many) and previously had been at the Fire Island National Seashore (Long Island/NY) and likely would have had an administrative or forest services degree, if any. Not archaeology.

It's not quite "Draw Binky", but I don't see where a degree is a requirement of being a Park Service Superintendent. The current Superintendent of Yellowstone has a degree in architecture. But it is GS-15 and that's right up there.

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Gee Charlie,

I think you missed the entire part where I said the NATIONAL PARK SERVICE (as an entity) has been (since 1986) trying to completely exorcise Gordon's Name from anything to do with the panel. And by "as an entity" I mean NPS Archaeologists, Rock Art Specialists, etc. As I understand it, the word he got was that they were embarrassed a non-archy type found it, and rubbed their collective noses in it, when they called him a liar. The two archies and rock art specialist were the ones that took credit for discovering the panel.

EGO EGO EGO! Screw the little guy because he is just a dumb cowboy.

Charlie,

Maybe one day if you get off yer keester, head into the mountains and find something, you might see just how helpful those professionals are to you. HAHAHA

Mike

 

[Dave Rishar]

I think you missed the entire part where I said the NATIONAL PARK SERVICE (as an entity) has been (since 1986) trying to completely exorcise Gordon's Name from anything to do with the panel. And by "as an entity" I mean NPS Archaeologists, Rock Art Specialists, etc. As I understand it, the word he got was that they were embarrassed a non-archy type found it, and rubbed their collective noses in it, when they called him a liar. The two archies and rock art specialist were the ones that took credit for discovering the panel.

And at the end of the day, after all of the hoops were jumped through, they admitted that it was real. Once the proof was revealed and properly vetted, they admitted that recorded history was incorrect.

They're not doing that with Oak Island though. How odd.

 

[Old Silver]

And at the end of the day, after all of the hoops were jumped through, they admitted that it was real. Once the proof was revealed and properly vetted, they admitted that recorded history was incorrect.

Because they had to. Why do you think they were so angry? It's just like the ancient city of Troy, they don't believe it until it's found, and then they claim to be the ones responsible for finding it.

 

[Eldo]

I just had to call the AAS.....the Arizona Archelogical Society

they got a full brief and were still returning emails with the generic,

"You know you're not supposed to be digging there right"

and

"That's illegal" "You know that right"

I tell them I need a group of Archs to assist in photographing the areas, to acquire the permits through their professional recommendations, the formal procedure, and they blow it off with a cliche little bit of 'advice'

Oh that's off limits and you need a permit.......Im saying to myself, did this guy just repeat every word of what I just said back to me ./.

 

[Eldo]

I bet if I sent a droid with a Holographic message that said 'Help us Secure a Permit AAS, You Are Our Only Hope'

They would listen then....notice the logo on the helmet?

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[Jason in Enid]

These are not the droids you are looking for....

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Charlie,

Maybe one day if you get off yer keester, head into the mountains and find something, you might see just how helpful those professionals are to you. HAHAHA

Mike

Careful what you wish for. There are over 88,000 members here and only 15 "legends" to uncover. But you're safe as I don't put much effort in chasing rainbows and chimeras. I'm only on this thread because it's about a TV program I was watching.

I keep happy hunting silver coins (U.S. - not Spanish) and trying to figure what artifacts/odd relics I have dug up with a shallow little detector. Otherwise I'm still amassing my fortune the old fashioned way - one paycheck at a time. ;-) And if you like what you do for a living and the people you work with that's a treasure right there.

 

[Old Silver]

I keep happy hunting silver coins (U.S. - not Spanish)

Personally, I don't think those exist.

 

[gollum]

Yes. Its a chimera! You're fooling yourself Charlie! There are over 88,000 members here, and only twenty or so silver coins left to uncover. You're chasing a dream!

Mike

 

[Crow]

Careful what you wish for. There are over 88,000 members here and only 15 "legends" to uncover. But you're safe as I don't put much effort in chasing rainbows and chimeras. I'm only on this thread because it's about a TV program I was watching.

I keep happy hunting silver coins (U.S. - not Spanish) and trying to figure what artifacts/odd relics I have dug up with a shallow little detector. Otherwise I'm still amassing my fortune the old fashioned way - one paycheck at a time. ;-) And if you like what you do for a living and the people you work with that's a treasure right there.

Hello Charlie

Tell me how did you come up with the figure 15 only legends?

Crow

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I keep happy hunting silver coins (U.S. - not Spanish)

Personally, I don't think those exist.

Well if you look at our modern currency they're definately extinct. ;-)

Crow - I came up with 15 from the categories in this sub-forum: "Treasure Legends." You mean there are more?

(I know - it seems you can't visit a town, lake, river or mountain that doesn't have a treasure legend). Sometimes the way you find something lost is to stop looking for it. The definition of "lost" means you don't know where to look.

 

[Crow]

Hello Charlie your comments explain a lack of knowledge about treasure legends....

While it is nice for balance in any debate, and to gain respect you must show that respect in turn. While my personal thoughts on on Oak island have been long posted...I am skeptic. I don't intended to start pissing match on it either, I leave its fascination to others As they are free to believe it or not after all it is their lives.

You seem have out look of seeing things as black white fashion....Well my friend things in the real world are rarely black and white my friend. While researching into many treasure legends may not be your cup of tea as it with many others. It can be can be a fascinating journey into these legends and stories. Indeed perhaps a treasure in itself?

There are many treasure legends around the world in fact they are happening and evolving as we speak. I love all the treasure stories. However I realize the fact that Many are nothing but urban myths that have been blown out of proportion over time and others have much more substance. In fact a few turned out to be true. However to tar every legend as just fairly tales without doing any dedicated research into reminds me of official scientists in history who once argued the world was flat. History is constantly being changed by new discoveries and reality is many of such discoveries have been made by every day people. For example the dead sea scrolls was found by a goat herder not an archeologist.

One of the greatest archeological discoveries in History was made by Howard Carter of Tutankhamen. Was never acknowledged in his lifetime for the discovery by the Society of British Archeologists because he was never a profession archeoligst, because he was a illustrator by profession with an interest in Archeology. He reworked a site that official academic archeologist said nothing was there...... And most archeologists of the day concluded was just a legend.

70% of the best finds in UK have been by ordinary people recovering Roman era finds thus extending our knowlege of post roman era Britain way beyond the expectations of Cambridge and Oxford University archeologist claims.

Mel fisher was told he was dreaming.... Yet his persitance brought to light an unique insight into new world trade ..... Many of legendary names and places were once touted as legends by So called Academic experts from leading institutions...turned out to be true. Such as Angkor Wat in Cambodia was lost city only known in legend until it was revealed the world by a butterfly hunter....

In china the the terracotta warriors was discovered by workmen digging a well that lead to that massive discovery... And yes in rare cases even old treasure maps has produced the goods.

Its True also Many fascinating treasure legends have been uncovered by mere chance but some have been by design also.

So I would not be too eager to write of all treasure legends as Just chasing rainbows...

Because not only it is ignorant it is untrue.



Crow

 

[Dave Rishar]

Because they had to. Why do you think they were so angry? It's just like the ancient city of Troy, they don't believe it until it's found, and then they claim to be the ones responsible for finding it.

It may also be that Gordon had solid proof. What do we have at Oak Island, besides some stories that don't agree with one another and a lot of holes that haven't produced anything?

Those dastardly archies may or may not trip over one another to claim some amazing find, but the prerequisite to this is that an amazing find has yet to be made. It's been over 200 years. The treasure story has changed quite a bit since then. Is it there? It's possible, but I don't think that it's likely. Given that there are numerous plot holes in the original tale (and not the ones that have followed, although those are at least as bad), nothing conclusive has been found yet, and that this has been going on for over two centuries...well, I'm not impressed by the evidence.

The land owners are of course more than welcome to drill all the holes that they want though. I'd prefer it if someone with some formal training was on site to assist with any recovered artifacts, but what's a degree worth anyway on an island that's already been dug up repeatedly? Whatever historic value that the soil strata contained has already been destroyed. I hope that one of these holes hits something, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet that this won't happen.

 

[Old Silver]

It may also be that Gordon had solid proof. What do we have at Oak Island, besides some stories that don't agree with one another and a lot of holes that haven't produced anything?

The point about Gordon having solid proof is that the archies didn't want to believe him. And when they found him to be right, they stole his find. And this is the outfit you want running everything?

Those dastardly archies may or may not trip over one another to claim some amazing find...?

No, you're wrong. They do trip over one another to claim amazing finds, it's just that those finds are usually found by others, who are not archaeologists. Now we can't have that, right?

...well, I'm not impressed by the evidence..

I'm pretty sure that none of this is being done to impress YOU.

The land owners are of course more than welcome to drill all the holes that they want though. I'd prefer it if someone with some formal training was on site to assist with any recovered artifacts, but what's a degree worth anyway on an island that's already been dug up repeatedly? Whatever historic value that the soil strata contained has already been destroyed. I hope that one of these holes hits something, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet that this won't happen.

You would waste more money on an archaeologist when there's nothing there to be found? Wouldn't that be adding to the money pit (money drain)?

 

[New Gold]

@Dave Rishar

This is a treasure hunt. Your standard for "proof" is impossibly high. If we had a treasure map that pointed to a fresh hole in the ground, there would be no hunt, there would only be newspaper articles and dinner table conversation.

Numerous eyewitnesses describe a man-made shaft dug to at least ninety feet. Eye witnesses describe wooden platforms, flood tunnels, made-made beaches and swamps, as well as an array of bizarre artifacts and phenomena.

There is more than enough evidence here to warrant a "treasure hunt." If you consider the fact that hunting on the island is really only possible seven months of the year due the the harsh weather we get here in the winter, we really haven't been looking for very long.

Not to mention the first hundred years of searching was done with very little info to go on and archaic tools.

Again, there is more than enough evidence collected over the years to warrant a very thorough and modern investigation.

 

[gollum]

Dave Rishar

Although they came from a reality show (which I place little faith in), the whole coconut fiber found in the cove area was very interesting. THAT is where facts meet the tale. The tale is that the cove was dammed off and drained. A trench was dug, and a thick mat of coconut fiber was laid down. Over that was placed pieces of flat rock to form drains that led to whichever level it was of the Hole (10X). Over the years, many people have said that was all fantasy. On the show, they found coconut fiber right where it was supposed to be. Very good evidence was also shown that at one time the cove had been dammed off for some reason. The water in 10X raises and lowers with the tide. Die Bombs have been dropped into 10X and the die comes out not only from the cove, but two other places as well.

So, forget for a second all the stories of Cat Kidd, The Templars, The Masons, The Lost Tribe, Viking Hoards, etc. Just look objectively at what has been found. Does what was found support or oppose the story as told?

Mike

 

[Eldo]

These are not the droids you are looking for....

Its Either Gold Team or Rogue Team??

Gold Team is Eldorado Enterprises and the Kingdom of Spain

Rogue Team is the Apache Nation

Over and Out

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[Eldo]

@Dave Rishar

This is a treasure hunt.

To be honest, if you are looking for treasures, and want to dig up sacred relics and religious objects that are older than the last episode of History's Oak Island, at least to advertise that is the objective, you kind of seem to be someone who is after the booty and are going to drill right through your goodies

Oil and Water Industries are a slightly different entity than Archaeology.........and really different from 'Cache-ology', as their latest guest advertises as part of his skill base..........

There is more than enough evidence here to warrant a "treasure hunt." If you consider the fact that hunting on the island is really only possible seven months of the year due the the harsh weather we get here in the winter, we really haven't been looking for very long.

We, who's we?? You work for THEM dont you.....LOL

Again, there is more than enough evidence collected over the years to warrant a very thorough and modern investigation.

But is that why they bought the island?? To Investigate ??