speaking of permits / claims

[russau]

I know of a place (river)that has a sand and gravel permit only on it. Can another person file for a precious metal permit/claim on it also? Or would that be a conflict of interest and not claimable.

 

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[ratled]

Russ I guess who is/are issuing the permits and where it is as to the local regs. S &G should have Army Corp permit and they do take into consideration the cumulative affect that might arise but that isn't an instant deal breaker

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[Kenmitch]

Not sure about the claim part....You could always be a nice guy and offer to clean their sand and gravel for them. Pimp the higher resale value of clean sand and gravel too them! Eco friendly clean sand and gravel with no nasty things in it like lead, mercury , etc!

 

[Bejay]

Guess it is all a matter of Word Meanings. I believe sand/gravel claims may exist as "salable" or "leasable's" similar to limestone and marble claims or precious stones. That said an extraction permit may be applicable to the "extraction of such". Such extraction would likely be a "special use" on public lands. However I believe "permits" are issued for such saleable's/leasable's. I have gotten USFS permits for quarry rock/firewood/greenery. I was told by the USFS that that nothing can be removed from the USFS administered public lands without paying for a permit....but locatable minerals are exempt on public lands open to mineral entry....as locatables fall under the Federal Mining Laws and is not a special use.

Locatable minerals are a different critter and I believe it may be possible to own the locatable mineral rights while others have claims for saleable or leasable extraction. That is my best opinion and I hope someone can be more specific.

Bejay

 

[winners58]

might be something in here; eCFR ? 43 part 3740-MULTIPLE MINERAL DEVELOPMENT
seems like if its a current lease you would have to have permission
from the lease holder to go on the property weather its gated or not to locate said minerals.

be great for you to have them scrape off the overburden then you come in and clean up...

 

[deserdog]

A sand and gravel operation can keep and sale any gold they recover, but a gold claim cannot salethe sand and gravel

 

[ecmjamsit]

I knew of a gravel pit on the Arkansas River here in Colorado. They had a huge twin centrifugal machine they ran the sand through. I managed to get a 7-11 big gulp cup sample. Cleaned up to a couple grams. Was the really fine gold. Place is closed now and is flooded to a big pond. Favorite hangout for ducks and geese now.

 

[russau]

I had permission from a business land owners office. they said go ahead on one of the sand bars ,BUT I want to put one of my dredges in to try it out and see if I can capture some fine gold. A friend of mine helped install a coffer dam ,and when they got all / most of the water pumped out he got in there with a 5 gallon bucket and did some "prospecting " of his own. When he got home and panned it out his eyes lite up and he got all /every 5 gallon bucket and container he could find and went in early to work to "obtain" some more of the material. BUT the company had already started filling it in with concrete. The moral of the story is : The early bird gets the worm! All I got was the story!

 

[mikep691]

If it's in Missouri, you're likely SOL. Can't place claims east of Colorado. Having permission was good, but with them making a pond.... Maybe work a deal to test other areas for a percentage.

 

[KevinInColorado]

If they are producing sand for concrete, they will always spit out the heavy stuff to avoid iron staining so see if you can buy some of that heavy stuff.

 

[russau]

If it's in Missouri, you're likely SOL. Can't place claims east of Colorado. Having permission was good, but with them making a pond.... Maybe work a deal to test other areas for a percentage.

Mike you missed what I was saying. what pond are you talking about? check out sand and gravel permits.

 

[mikep691]

My bad. Assumed they were filling it with concrete to make like a holding pond or something. In the original post you wanted to possibly get a permit/claim for Precious metals on already leased/permitted area. I don't think that is possible, but you may be able to work with the lease/permit holder for permission.