Tayopa in Durango?

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One thing to EDs credit he has highlighted a region of Durango albeit ignoring its own wonderful history. There is a long history of mining in the region.

It has been estimated about 280000 mining jobs have been created in Mexico. Which is good for employment as every mining Job creates secondary Jobs that feed off the miners disposable income. In fact good for US Economy too as the flow on effect is Jobs created and maintained in the manufacturing sector selling specialist mining machinery and associated technologies.

One sad note many mining companies in Mexico are Canadian are listed on the Canadian stock exchange but not on the local Mexican one thus making it hard for Mexican investors to invest in their own mines. That is one fundamental problem that needs to be addressed. As a shareholder of some of some of the companies with interest in several projects in Mexico I believe it should of been an obligation in the contract with the Mexican Government. Thus Mexico has one of most liberal mining friendly nations to do business with.

The following region is of group of mines in Topira mineral concentration. They are historical mines originally back in the days of Spanish but now evolved into one large mine... Know as the great Panther mining region.

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As from the digram you can see the historical mines now consumed by one new modern gigantic underground mine.

As a Ex exploration driller that drilled holes to take core samples. There is no one set ore sample determine the the fate of such mining venture. But Whole series of samples from various depths to build up a picture of the size and quanity of the ore body. By taking average over seris of test drills to geologist build a 3 dimensional picture of the ore body. Ore samples are aggregated based on assayer results. However for any mine to proceed many boxes other need to be ticked before the mine can come on line..... the number crunchers need to calcualte the value of net rate of return per ton of rock mined. If the numbers do not add up. Then best place to store this ore body is in the ground until commodity prices rise high enough to make the mine economical. One should note an underground mine is much more expensive than an open cut...

An average start up for a new modern mines is about 100 million plus... Most money is generated through private equity firms dealing in stocks.

But do not be fooled nearly all the mineralised areas are held under some mining lease. There are companies out there that are mining speculators. All they have to do is hold to lease until bought out by an interested big miner with huge capital takes on the project... they never mine themselves they just employ exploration contractors to drill core sample every now and a gain to maintain their base minimum requirements for holding a mining lease. Anyone outside the lease holders authorization removing ore from those sites is technically theft.

Tipora mining Area is just one of many mining areas of Durango.

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I should add a treatment process and infrastructure need in that equation to mine. All these come into play. Just because ya have a mine does not mean ya get magically rich either. Just as many if not more mine operators go broke for several reasons.

Having had a share in a small underground gold mine in care and maintenance still costs ya money and a lot of it. It averaged 5500 ounces per years when in operation. The price of gold fell from historic highs to lose one third its value which many smaller mines became unprofitable to work. When the price of gold was high there was a big demand outstripping supply on miners Another problem we have was staffing as much bigger mines could afford bigger wages ya could not keep staff and that cost us more from training costs..Especially when we are obligated by law to maintain ISO standards through out the mines site in operation regarding mining practices and Occupational health and safety. Insurances, Workers compensation, Superannuation And environmental regulations. Regular inspection by inspector of mines inspecting for compliance.

Small miners are becoming an endangered species. So when ya find the proverbial lost mine think there might be perhaps there is a reason...

There are thousands of abandoned mine addicts around the world for good reason.

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Hello Doc just a bit of life experience coming in. For a short time I worked as a hard rock miner working 1.8 kilometers under ground. In copper lead mine. Preferred the surface and the great outdoors as exploration driller. that is of course all history now. Durango does indeed has opportunities for mines...In fact the following charts shows many in future mines will be coming online.

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All these will be generating employment and Adding to Mexico's GDP. Each mining location have their own set of Problems.

Don Jose mine location has its own unique challenges as I been privileged to have seen things others haven't. His location due the nature of site looks to be an underground mine from the start. So there is no easy money with an open cut in start up of mining operation freeing up capital investment. However if venture capital comes available for a full drilling mining exploration program of the suspected ore body the site could have enormous potential. It appears the early miners have cherry picked the upper faulting portions of site and was unable to continue because of technology and events surrounding the site. There is only a few exploration companies that has the capacity to take on such a project. Most exploration drilling companies are ass out my pants groups looking for the big break.

The site reminds me of a mine exploration site in New Guinea. They had all our drilling rigs lifted by Russian heavy lift helicopter. resupplied by helicopter as there back the then no roads only jungle.

Here some pictures before it became an open cut.

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However it is one opportunity in a sea of opportunities....

Many people must be thinking is there any hope for the little Guy or Gal?

In Short yes and No... It depends on circumstances.... There is scope for some with a small aluvial operation in good gold bearing area with people working in shares on a small tenement. As for hardrock mining it is entirely a different beast.

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And so now it remains for our dear brother Señor Don Jose to finish his book…..certainly the coffee is not the problem, so what is holding him up?
 

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Coiffee around while I tell you of a sad story which illustrates what Crow has stated/

I completely own a Mine, La Escondida, it is a hard rock mine with an average assay of $ 2,000 US,--estimate of ore by the State of aprox 20,00o tons -

It is only 500 meters from a State maintained hard surfaced all weather road. Alongside of the road is a hi power Electric power line.

It is only 35 miles on a surfaced road to a RR siding, and 50 to a Major city. Relatively level ground.

Since it was idle for a time before I acquired it, low prices for Gold and sliver ( cu,Zc, Pb were in the 1000 + gram range ) all of the equipment has been stolen, so it is a bare mine.

I have tried to interest the market, but it is estimated perhaps $ 500,000 Us to clean it up and install a crusher, to send out 'sized' ore to a custom smelter. . perhaps $ 1,000,000 Us to put it into full production status to process the ore on site, Approx. 500 c0 cubic meters already blocked out.

No -one is interested, the rage today is the open pit operation.

I had originally planned in using some of the profits for the development of Tayopa, but alas, the best laid plans of men and mice -----.

The fascinating thing is how quickly costs could be recovered @ a mere 20 tons daily. Yet no Takers.

So Ed, with only a few samples I hardly think that any sneaky organizations are after you or your Mine.


P.S te vein is 12' wide.
 

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Crow writes,"But do not be fooled nearly all the mineralised areas are held under some mining lease".
While not gold ,in the midwest I'm near it is common for a home on ,or land alone to sell with mineral rights reserved. Often glossed over. The last one noted claimed it was not known who held the rights. One place I bought I said the deal is off when seller balked at buying the rights and transferring them to me. Seller acquired them and a deal was made but my concern was waking up to a parade of heavy equipment around the house more than any potential gains from what lay under it. Oil and gas are the interests in holding such rights. Free natural gas would be nice but the concern of a buyer should not be so much what is under the ground but that exploration, and development equipment on the lawn could get interesting. Much can be reached from a neighboring parcel interestingly if a parcel rights owner is not willing to allow retrieval from theirs. Much of what is there is known or easily confirmed through best odds of sampling or testing seismically or whatever.
The reasons to leave or remove what is underground vary but the result of a buying concern should be ,be sure who owns the oil,gas and mineral rights or it won't be the new buyer!
 

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Well Senor Don Jose, it would appear that not even Ed T could save this one……..time perhaps to supplement the coffee……
It might be the fledgling, newly hatched black bird that will develop this in a few years time after he gets his wings stronger……
 

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What has escaped his poor diseased mind……

I hope I never incur the wrath of JudyH……..
 

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Gracias Senorita JudyH……..
Many attempts have been made to help this pathetic individual, yet it has proved an exercise in futility……
That said, he is alone and there are many good amigos here and we cannot become distracted by stupid crazy crap that people may post.

Vaya con Dios mi bonita señorita……….
 

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Excellent point Doc. I couldn't agree more. With that being said, any Tayopa related questions, problems, stories, or anecdotes? Maybe El Tropical Tramp will join us for a cuppa Joe and a yarn. Come on Don Jose, tell us something we have yet to hear!

(Picture this DJ: you're sitting on a chair at the head of the class and we (your patient students) are waiting with anticipation for you to tell us another story)

Thank you in advance!

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Well kiddies today we will discuss the Hadron collider, and the Higgs thingie..

First there was a lonesome subatomic particle , he was only partially there, so he was looking for a lil gal particle . When he found her she offered him an apple equivalent and together they set out looking for a god particle, Boson, to unite them

Aaftera long search they found him and he created a Gold atom.
 

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Senor Don Jose……is post 350 really about our black feathered friend's island beauty and the new hatched little black feathered one…..
 

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hehehe……..there may be some medications available to help……..
Now I like the internet, it has allowed us from many parts of the world to interact; yet sometimes you want to be able to reach out and actually "touch" somebody……enough said……
Perhaps we should re-direct the ever lovely senoritas JudyH and Mastiff to a new target, this time for real…...
 

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Ed T stop posting off topic pictures etc, All, please keep it on topic...
 

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